PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS

[RyanWreck]

Either you're misinformed, or clueless, or a revisionnist. And you obviously don't understand French because both bands' lyrics are quite unequivocal. They're RAC bands, not oi bands. Most French oi bands used to be apolitical (which led to songs with very embarrassing lyrics sometimes) but these two were more than apolitical bands, they were explicitly right-wing.

Did you read anything I said before you commented, gatekeeper? What are you even on about? I literally never said anything about them not being right-wing or apolitical, I said they weren't Racialists. There is a difference between "Racialism", nationalism and the right wing; all of these things can and do exist outside of one another, they are not mutually inclusive. And I never mentioned the Bleach Boys politics at all, I said that their sound was closer to Oi! than to the RAC sound popular at the time. RAC isn't simply about being anti-communist, or being "right-wing", RAC isn't just a subject matter thing, it has a separate sound from Oi!, anyone can tell that just by listening to Bound For Glory, Honor, No Remorse and comparing it to Sham 69, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Cockney Rejects, etc.

About the Evil Skins, I am getting this information from the interview the band members have done themselves, for example;

"Also, our delusions of violence was to the zenith by displaying fascist slogans, but in both our band and crew there were skins that were black, Chinese, Arab, Iranian and there was also a Jew. Some of these skins wore skinhead reggae, trojan, or rude boys badges on their bombers. Others who were within the group liked the Communists Angelic Upstarts.
There was a time of contact with real fascists who wanted us recruited, but it is not possible. We were guys from the streets, politics is derided. We just loved to brawl. "
http://thespiritofyesterdayoi.blogspot.com/2011/04/interview-with-petit-willy-of-evil.html

And maybe because now that they are Krishna's and Hindu monks and murderers and blah blah blah they are maybe just trying to minimize their involvement, I don't know nor do I care, but I am certainly not trying to be "revisionist" or spread misinformation, I'm merely going by what they themselves have said on the matter.

And the fact that Evil Skins' singer was Iranian doesn't mean shit. Look up who Batskin/Serge Ayoub is and how Sniff got crippled and you'll see.

I know it was from a shotgun blast during a fight. What does that have to do with anything that I said while reviewing the sound of the music?

Also, the viking on the Bleach Boys cover is taken from the comic Hagar Dunor, which is really funny, witty (his name's a pun) and definitely not sketchy.

Who said anything about the Viking being sketchy?

[HONOR_IS_KING!]

Serge Ayoub is a fantastic example of the identity crisis of most Lebanese living in any western society. Especially those with a lighter skin complexion.

Different topic but I'm putting this out there. PM if anyone would like to discuss.

[RyanWreck]

Serge Ayoub is a fantastic example of the identity crisis of most Lebanese living in any western society. Especially those with a lighter skin complexion.

Different topic but I'm putting this out there. PM if anyone would like to discuss.

I have an interest in Lebanon but more so about the Sunni and Shia derision and the attempts of Salafi's to impose themselves. Doing research about Islamic State leadership so definitely interested in discussion if you know anything or have opinions /know Lebanese who have  opinions, regarding that.

[HONOR_IS_KING!]

Serge Ayoub is a fantastic example of the identity crisis of most Lebanese living in any western society. Especially those with a lighter skin complexion.

Different topic but I'm putting this out there. PM if anyone would like to discuss.

the Islamic State

Is not welcomed in Lebanon. None of the sects are having their shit.

[ANDROPHILIA]

Bleach Boys ‎– "Vikland"
Super underrated 90's Oi! from France. They stuck with the 4 Skins formula of simple, Punk inspired Oi! rather than the goofy RAC influences of bad attempts at catchy Rock and Roll that were so prevalent in some of the 90's Oi!. But what makes them stick out to me is their slight Post-Punk leanings in tracks like "Chant De Fidelite". Lovely aesthetic as well.       


Evil Skins ‎– Une Force, Une Cause, Un Combat
More French Oi! music but this time it's from a band that was very popular within Europe both inside and outside of their home country. Lots of tunes to shout along with even though I don't know a lick of French. These guys do "catchy" really well. The band always got some criticism over their aesthetic and use of symbols even though they were not a racialist band (the vocalist was a wheelchair bound Iranian).

oh great

[Ashmonger]

Streicher/Totenrune - Global Gas Chamber/Bellum Internecinum (10", Unrest Productions): First release I own from Streicher, but this sounds good, seems to lean more to the Harsh Noise side and thus different from some of the old tracks I heard online. Should invest some time in checking out this classic act. Totenrune track sounds really good, strong oppressive Harsh Noise.

Totenrune/Insurgence (tape, Lost Empire Records): Also nice Totenrune tracks, but less impressive than the track on the 10". Insurgence started as a Deathkey rip  off project but seems to have changed direction with this release, still Harsh Noise/PE of course. Not bad, but I certainly think there's room for improvement.

Almost forgot to mention that both releases come with rather basic, but fitting covers/layout.

[RyanWreck]

S*Core "Pretension" tape
Staaltape
Jesus christ! I don't remember when I bought this, but must be long ago. 1988 release, and how good it is? I'm just constantly amazed how this artist isn't praised as ultimate hero of Japanese industrial-noise!

"Dumb Chamber" is one of the better Broken Flag releases that isn't given much credit. His layered, creeping stuff is some of the top atmospheric material from that era. Never could get into 90's S-Core though.

oh great

Yea, they're pretty great.


Antonin Pagaille ‎– "Ma Voix Est Un Écho"
I miss the material under the Alleypisser moniker. Where Knækkede Stemmer continued the concrete, acoustic experimentation of the former, the Antonin project seems to have taken slightly from the branches of the Flugt era of isolated build ups and synth manipulations, though original and stands on it's own there is a similar sense of a spaced out slow ambient soundscapes.

In Ketten - "Live at JVA Ichtershausen 1995"
The stage name Absurd took while in county jail while waiting conclusion of their murder charges and transfers to Prison. They played 5 shows only this one had a recording that survived. I've talked pretty endlessly over the years about my obsession with early Absurd from the Demo era through "Facta Luquuntur" and this is a great side piece of novelty from that era, though completely devoid of any Black Metal influences. Features cover songs of "House of the Rising Sun", Endstufe "Winter In Der BRD", a couple Ultima Thule tracks, The Misfits "Angelfuck" plus their jailhouse version of Absurd's own "Mourning Soul" and "Verlassen" with the leftover track, "Ein letzer Kuss", being the only original In Ketten song made.

Mesalliance - "Ere Rance"
Obviously influenced by the so-called "rural" Hooligan Black Metal sound of bands like Peste Noire, Baise ma Hache, Sale Freux, Autarcie, etc. Crisp production allows focus on the unique qualities of each track, all in their own little microcosms where abrupt mid-song transitions from one style to another (most reminiscent of KPN's "L'ordure a L'etat pur") are commonplace. Some experiments with traditional and melodic Black Metal laced with some folk elements, but the reason Mesalliance stands out is because of their plentiful use of unconventional sounds and techniques that can change spastic picking into chunky, Groove Metal-esque riffing or a sunny major chord progression, with just as many different rhythmic pursuits to back it up from blastbeats to d-beats. And it all works out.

[cr]

Apart from watching old movies, I'm making my way through the Urashima Mauthausen Orchestra tape box - Orgies of Crime.
Seems like I'm in a kind of nostalgic mood...

Further listens include some Alfarmania tapes (Kodon, Iktorevil, Nojjan)

[impulse manslaughter]

a subject matter thing, it has a separate sound from Oi!, anyone can tell that just by listening to Bound For Glory, Honor, No Remorse and comparing it to Sham 69, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Cockney Rejects, etc.

In RAC the message is what makes the difference. Soundwise it can also be more metal or rock sounding. Real oi! has a specific brick wall sound like Combat 84. Sham 69, Cockney Reject are more leaning towards street punk. Just my 2 cents..

[Euro Trash Bazooka]

Either you're misinformed, or clueless, or a revisionnist. And you obviously don't understand French because both bands' lyrics are quite unequivocal. They're RAC bands, not oi bands. Most French oi bands used to be apolitical (which led to songs with very embarrassing lyrics sometimes) but these two were more than apolitical bands, they were explicitly right-wing.

Did you read anything I said before you commented, gatekeeper? What are you even on about? I literally never said anything about them not being right-wing or apolitical, I said they weren't Racialists. There is a difference between "Racialism", nationalism and the right wing; all of these things can and do exist outside of one another, they are not mutually inclusive. And I never mentioned the Bleach Boys politics at all, I said that their sound was closer to Oi! than to the RAC sound popular at the time. RAC isn't simply about being anti-communist, or being "right-wing", RAC isn't just a subject matter thing, it has a separate sound from Oi!, anyone can tell that just by listening to Bound For Glory, Honor, No Remorse and comparing it to Sham 69, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Cockney Rejects, etc.

Etc, etc, etc...

"Racialism", "nationalism" and "right wing" are different words that all mean the same thing within a punk context and you know it. I also don't agree with you when it comes to RAC' sound for the exact reasons Impulse Manslaughter mentioned. Basically, you're using all the arguments rightwing people spout when they're not really comfortable with their own ideas and keep trying to justify themselves. And guess what? Petit Willy does the same in that bit of interview you posted. And rightwing politicians do the same in France lately as well. "Evil Skins are ok because the singer is Iranian, cripped and I don't know French, and I don't care about what they say." Well, you obviously care because you don't post about those facts innocently, and you know you're attracted to their aesthetics the same way a lot of guys on here think Zyklon SS are cool because of "Zyklon" and "SS", or they like Filth & Violence material because "boobs" and they can project their own fantasies over all that stuff (it's ok, I have a huge Ilsa She-wolf Of The SS poster in my toilets.) It doesn't mean you can't be called out by someone who understands their lyrics (I'm French) or knows your post is very biased. Sniff got shot by a punk in a skinheads vs punks brawl, now people can make their own idea about the band. And Petit Willy tries to defend himself by saying they accepted non-Whites, foreigners or jews within their skinhead crew but you know, Jörg Haider had a trouble sexuality, Florian Philippot (the vice-president of the French Front National party) is gay, and we all know what happened to non-whites, gays and Jews in 1942. Anyway, case closed as far as I am concerned.

My comment on Hagar Dunor was just an explanation regarding who that character is, as I'm not sure most people on the forum have heard about him before. It didn't have anything to do with you and the rest of your post.

I'm done derailing the thread nor talking about that topic, feel free to listen to whatever you want, just don't twist the facts when you mention it.


Since opening a gig for him a few days ago, I've been listening to some Jean-Philippe Gross' tapes lately, namely the Black Packers "Living The Dream" one (a duo he does with John Hegre, who formed Jazzkammer with Lasse Marhaug among others) and the "Heike Trapped The Piano" one, released under his own name. Both tapes showcase excellent and dynamic harshnoise, with beautiful crunchy sounds and brutal feedback. He uses several Serge modular boxes to create his music and it really shows (and he definitely knows his shit.) I don't ever want to hear anything played through a Metal Zone ever again in my life.

You can check some of his stuff on his website, it's great: https://jeanphilippegross.wordpress.com/280-2/

[RyanWreck]

Rotten UK ‎– "That Is Not Dead..."
Was surprised when HHR put this one out. There are hints of the "street metal" sound of bands like Tank and Warfare here but taken in the looser punk direction of the UK82 style of Broken Bones, Disorder, etc. and some Swedish Anti-Cimex, uniquely combined with deathrock sounds you would hear in 45 Grave and UK Decay worship. Pretty good music, silly name (the band is American).

Body Cargo ‎– "Konkrete"
Just found this in storage. I think either the label or artist sent it to me back when I interviewed him in 2010 and I never got a chance to actually listen to it until now! I think anyone who remembers Body Cargo would be able to recognize it; it's very simple "post-mortem" styled Industrial, methodical texture based movements centered around synth work and some buried undecipherable lyrics.

[Theodore]

and we all know what happened to non-whites, gays and Jews in 1942.

What happened ? That's war, sorry. Can't understand why those victims are exceptional, more important than others, from every side. Why are the collateral damages -i would say- more important than a man dying fighting for his country, ideas, family, for his life at the end ? I don't need an answer.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Cryptofascisme "Mille Collines." CS (Yes Divulgation)
        More pseudo-noisecore – I like this, but can barely understand the context of the subject matter because my French is atrocious. Sort of muddy, grim and depressing sound – this is what I would imagine folks in 3rd-world countries doing if they'd never heard any noise. Not at all a bad thing, though. Just not terribly sure if this is the sort of thing to listen to twice. Favorite highlight was when an unexpected rhythm emerged from the murk and gave off old-M.B. vibes. Recording quality goes from fairly muddy to surprisingly good. I sort of doubt the guy behind the project would appreciate the comparison, but I hear some similarities with obscure deep-buried Filth & Violence one-offs.

Pseudo-noisecore? hmmmm... I didn't find anything noisecore in this, more like just overall industrial-noise and atmospheric industrial. There are tribal drumming, internal feedback manipulations what sound pretty much like slightly random analogue synth. Or is it some basic self made synth? Slow and heavy sounds echoing, rhythm loops made out of physical sounds etc. Always clearly constructed long tracks that could be rather dating back to late 80's industrial tape underground!
It seems to deal mostly with Rwanda genocide. Therefore, african drumming and such works conceptually well, despite I have no idea whether they are really from Rwanda or just "whatever african stuff"... Mille Collines was the hotel where over 1000 people too refugee during the genocide. There is movie about it for those who care less for history books.
I was very surprised how good the tape was!

[FreakAnimalFinland]

"Racialism", "nationalism" and "right wing" are different words that all mean the same thing within a punk context and you know it.

Feel free to listen to whatever you want, just don't twist the facts when you mention it.

It is curious to put blame on twisting the facts, when one mentions twisting the meanings of words to different than they are, simply because that it's done in the "punk context".

Of course, no further discussion is needed of this, just reminder that there is no specific political agenda dominating what questions are dealt with and how, in industrial music. Neither rock'n'roll. There are topics for RAC as well as hc/punk on forum what can be used if necessary. Preferably to focus most energy on experimental noise, though!

[ConcreteMascara]

Balkan Gaze ‎– Vampir Melošević cassette - Northern Cross - 2 "industrial" drones. a bit like a John Carpenter cue circa Escape from New York, without the arpeggio bit. at under five minutes each side this tape doesn't wear out its welcome, but it also seems like kind of waste. i can understand a cassingle with two power electronics tracks or harsh noise blasts, but just two drones? i dunno... enjoyable regardless.

Plague Mother ‎– Shattered Vessel cassette - Beyond the Ruins - a-side, two harsh noise blasts. the 1st is a bit more dynamic and i prefer it to the 2nd. the b-side, ambient drones with details soaked in delay. maybe its my mood but i think the b-side is a lot more effective than the harsh noise.

Umgreifende ‎– II cassette - ANGST - a slow moving mix of bass-y hums, field recordings and noise. this is slow moving and patient, without being particularly brooding. tension builds up a bit, largely because it's hard to tell where the tracks are going.

Sunken Cheek ‎– Without Rejection cassette - ANGST - like a noise, thicker sounding version of the Umgreifende tape. there's a nice sense of flow and natural dynamics. as good for headphones as it is for background reading music.

Brainoil - Brainoil & Death of This Dry Season - TANKCRIMES - finding a whole new appreciation of this band at the gym. the track Inquisition from the S/T is especially fitting.

Laudanum - The Coronation mp3s - great sludge/doom with ambient parts that don't suck. I need to grab a physical copy of this.