Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 28, 2019, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on November 22, 2019, 02:47:31 PM
In all of this thread, I find it odd that the most offensive thing, to me, is that no one pointed out whether or not Phillip Best apologized for dumping Hitler speeches over other artists' work without permission.
So this is what you originally claimed. There's no Hitler speeches on White Power comp as far as I'm aware so I (and I think also Mikko) assumed you were talking about the MB releases. In which case the speeches were not added by Best. Do you still not understand that?
Instead of just admitting you're wrong you're now trying to morph your original claim into some weird deeper point, which also kind of fails because Mundy's interview is your only source and you're not even sure you can remember it correctly now.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on November 28, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
The White Power compilation is a good example, because if any of those artists received negative attention from it without even volunteering to be part of that theme, if could have very real consequences. If that happened in this current period especially. I was just using it as an example to illustrate a deeper point, and it'd been brought up recently.
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If everyone on that White Power comp was on it fully knowing that this would be the theme, then it is not, afterall, a good example of my point, although I thought it was and I wish I had that issue of ALAP with me, regardless of whether or not Gary Mundy takes issue with it now or not.
You might be right after all, so it would be good and interesting to see that interview. Cause otherwise it's unclear whether Mundy was complaining on behalf of other artists too or just on behalf of himself. You seemed so sure though that all the artists were fucked over by the theme and now you can't remember? Strange.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on November 28, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
I'm not scatological enough for this petty bullshit to be "common knowledge".
I was referring to the instance in which MB was fucked over by ComeOrg. as common knowledge. I admit that might be a stretch, after all I can only assume that people who listen to MB are aware of this. And this was your main concern (other artist's works being altered with without permission) no? So I don't know why you're calling it petty now.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on November 28, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
If my point is still not clear, I'm not sure what else to say.
Your point is very clear, it's just surrounded by speculation and misinformation.
You don't care about cryptofascism and that's fine, good for you.
To what you were addressing about altering artists material "in general" I agree with you although I think mixing speeches into someone else's music is far, far worse than putting an image of Hitler on a compilation cover.
As I said, if my memory is failing, I stand corrected, but the principle of being on a "white power" compilation (regardless of the discographies of the artists on them) without choosing to be on one is still relevant to my point, although it's not the same as dumping Hitler's speeches onto the audio, I'll give you that.
I'm not trying to spin my point. I initially tried to be as concise as possible without elaborating too much. My point stands. If I find something offensive, by the way, it does not mean that I am personally offended, but I would be if it were me. That's my concept of integrity. Apparently we agree on that much. I'm just willing to admit that I don't have the damn interview with me, and memory can be inaccurate. You're not doing a very good job of making a straw man argument. Time to go back to the drawing board. Your argument is not that my point is not valid, then, but yet it is still "worthless". Well honestly, I'm just not seeing a whole lot of worthy points in this thread, and while I admit I'm more guilty of speculation than I thought I was, I'm not the only one.
I was just trying to add to the conversation in a way that brings up the question of why people are so offended by the haphazard use of some symbols rather than the haphazard use of other peoples' work in conjunction with those symbols (I'll remind you too that I wasn't the one who brought up Phillip Best), and I would add that various rip off artists don't seem to get this sort of "call out culture" treatment. To me that is a misplacement of priorities on the part of media and culture in general, but that's because it's not as "juicy" as gossip goes. I don't see people contacting Quietus about their irresponsible writing, I just see people speculating (and some whining) about the "injustice" of someone who has admittedly been "confrontational" in the past. As far as Skullflower goes, it's not my place to decide what is "confrontational" about his work. It's all regular fare at this point.
So you see, it is not about me trying to backpedal into some "weird deeper point", my point is the same and it hasn't changed. I just thought some people might take the conversation into something other than complaining, like for instance, the original meaning of the black sun symbol prior to it being co-opted by the Nazis... or something. Something other than pretend tough guys whining on behalf of someone they don't know, as if it gives them some vicarious credibility. I'll give you some "weird deeper points": My general qualm with Power Electronics is not the controversy, nor the subject matter, it's generally that pioneers are few and far between, and what's left are simple-minded, bottom-feeding muckrakers sucking the rotting teet of a bygone mythical golden age. No offense to Skullflower or anyone else, but some of my favorite PE artists are such without any particular hot button shock value schtick, and I like plenty of nasty shit too. I think that a true exploration of power dynamics needs to get deeper than what it has been doing for the last 20-30 years. The claim that power electronics artists are "usually intelligent" does not hold up for me, but I believe at one point that it once did, and I'd like to see that day again. There are a lot more ways of being "transgressive" than knee jerk reactions from outsiders and
business as usual from insiders.
I find it funny that once people disagree, all of a sudden it is considered a "fight". I don't disagree with Mikko at all, by the way, but
...would be STILL matter of discussion 40 years later. does lend creedence to the need for more responsibility. Things did feel more free prior to the internet, but there were probably a lot more rip off artists, too.