NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise

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FreakAnimalFinland

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/10/26/atrax-morgue-feat-morder-machine-deathshow/
Traditional Halloween extra with Atrax Morgue related. The best in this are absolute when Tara is reading Marco interview quotes, that illustrate the morbid and unusual state of mind of artists. Good episode.

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/11/02/in-conversation-with-jg-thirlwell/
Briefly touches his part in playing with William Bennet in Come. Stuff about Steven Stapleton and Coil, obviously his own Foetus stuff and wide variety of things. He vehemently opposes being "industrial music artists". haha. Lots of small nuggets of information here and jumps quickly from 70's to current days, so covering that long career in hour barely possible!

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/11/09/contact-microphones-with-crank-sturgeon/
Monstrous 2hours 45mins episode, originally Trashware episode, now for all public. Greh and Crank Sturgeon talk that kind of takes focus point in contact microphones and piezzo technology, but even if you are not tech guy, it touches a lot of things about noise culture, noise making, live, recordings, field recordings, recorders, and so on...

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/11/16/on-location-at-luff-2022/
"Greh had the opportunity to play the Lausanne Underground Film and Music Festival in Switzerland this October. In its 21st year, this festival features experimental music and a variety of films and workshops. Greh spoke with perpetual LUFF attendee and former performer Dave Phillips, curator Francisco Meirino (aka Phroq), co-founder Thibault Walter, and performer Mark Vernon about the festival itself and some performances."
Short interviews that are decent. Phillips and Meirino I am familiar with and have their stuff, but the others never heard of. And same with the fest! It is not purely noise fest, even if it has experimental noise too, and generally that type of things tend to happen in other realm I rarely see or hear. It is amusing to think how much importance one often puts into harsh noise show that happened couple decades ago and had 20 people there, while kind of "big events" that have noise cross-over happens all the time. Besides the obvious names, what I know of scene in Switzerland? Not much! Was just watching Government Alpha and couple other Japanese artist to go play at festival in Turkey. Festival in Turkey flying bunch of Japanese noise acts to play? wild. Wouldn't mind reading some reports of that!
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Zeno Marx

A couple things about Foetus.  The nonchalant way some of these old cats talk about just running into, or just hanging out with, the bigger names we still know now.  These scenes were so, so small.  They can't realize how fascinating that is 40 years later.  Same for the poet societies, the Beats and Merry Pranksters, etc.  Second, I was hoping they would have spent some time on the Hole and Nail albums.  They were so out there while being accessible.  Interested in hearing the thinking behind those.  I can no longer deal very well with the show tunes aspect of that material, but I remember them fondly.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

FreakAnimalFinland

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/11/23/killer-bug-brutal-rainbow/
After lots and lots of interviews, it is good to hear some "noise reactions". Favorite moment is the sound of liquid dripping, splashing and Tara firmly insisting it must be piss. KB / Endo interviews are being read from zines. Freak Animal from the 90's and Night Science from next decade.

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/11/30/merzbow-christoph-heeman-sleeper-awakes-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/
Merzbow appreciation returns to Noisextra. This has some good nuggets of info, and also Noisextra folks looking into timeline of Merzbow releases, and pointing out that this particular one belongs to moment when Merzbow actually didn't have ton of releases coming out, but almost some sort of break on otherwise nonstop flood of noise.

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/12/07/year-end-2022/
Besides the Noisextra crew, there are bunch of other people who submitted lists of their favorite stuff. Jim Haras, Dominick Fernow, Richard Ramirez, Sean Ramirez Matzus, and many more. It is always fun to hear how different and how kind of "local" the good stuff lists are. Like mentioned in the SI best of 2022 topic, I think it is most of all enlightening to hear the lists of people who follow other type of labels, other type of countries and so on. Over here, Finn noise of course tends to dominate. No matter how good stuff comes out on USA labels, I would suspect a lot of Finns know the stuff they have easiest access to. Objectively I feel it is good too, but when talking about 100 tapes, it really is just random people here and there who will ever hear it and even smaller amount who are tempted to write about it.

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/12/14/in-conversation-with-hunting-lodge/
Long and good interview with Hunting Lodge. Two members included and they will talk about early days, later days, end of group, how they feel about coming back to play live and would it ever happen and so on. Now after some good early Hunting Lodge reissues (although, many of us have been buying reissues since Dark Vinyl days or VOD boxes...), this is good to visit for more info about their early days.

Just came online today, yet to start listen:
https://www.noisextra.com/2022/12/21/coil-winter-solstice/


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FreakAnimalFinland

https://www.noisextra.com/2022/12/28/in-conversation-with-anthony-di-franco/
Listened Di Franco interview from Noisextra. Really great casual discussion, and could have easily listened another hour. Things from early days, being teenager interested in DIY punk Crass and such and due the crossover getting exposed to industrial & PE. It is kind of funny to hear from the veterans about it, who were there. Like when Di Franco mentions he was already a bit younger, and that 82-84 thing had pretty much disappeared by the time he got exposed to it. There is moment when he talks about buying fostex 4-tracker when he was 15, and that changed the game. Not just radionoise, but actual psycedelic noise creations and when cranking up the input, everything sounds great. That's the thing with early E.Acid I like a lot. It is very strong and punchy. He mentions how going into real studio later on was far more challenging to get good sound.
After interview, I went to his bandcamp to listen new JFK album. It is all beats basically, but cold industrial vibe, not really dancefloor beats. I like it, but it also makes me think, what if guys who can now do this type of stuff, would still decide to run the final mix through analogue 4-track. Get that juicy and punchy, noisier dirtier sound added to digital clarity? JFK new one is good, but to apply that old revelation he talks in interview, it ain't regress - I'd call it progress.
Anyone hearing some of my 2022 works, they all have that. When final mix is done, it just gets better when you run it one more time through 4-tracker. Same can be heard in finn noisers like Moozzhead, Aprapat, Vanhala and so on.. Of course all noise, but the revelation that despite massive amount of plugins out there, who ever engineered some of those old 4-trackers or even tape decks, could be granted some sort of Saint status for gift they gave for noise. Hah....

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https://www.noisextra.com/2023/01/04/cock-e-s-p-greatest-dicks/
Cocks get mentioned so many times and bizarre stories, that this must be one of the sleaziest language episode in history of noisextra, as they generally tend to keep language pretty clean. I mean, have you ever heard curse words and such from the civilized podcast hosts? I doubt it!

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/01/11/hydra-power/
Reviewing through Hydra "Power" CD. Listening this episode made me write lengthy piece on upcoming SI magazine. Hydra always great, unfortunately so little of his output is available. Track on Sounds of Sadism is MANDATORY.

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/01/18/the-japanese-american-noise-treaty-with-mason-jones/
Mason Jones returns as guest and topic is talking about compiling the legendary JAPANESE AMERICAN NOISE TREAUTY 2xCD for Relapse Records. Good stories about how compilation was curated, how to approach the thing, how Relapse was working at the time, all sorts of lost stories of things like importance of fax machine in noise scene. I never used it, but I know plenty who did, and in this episode Mason tells story of his old Japanese visit, how people would fax eachother maps before they come to visit, due navigating without it in 90's Tokyo would have been impossible. Little bit talk about collab with Aube and his perception of Japanese scene at the time and so on. Some talk about who should have been on comp, but wasn't and so on. It all shows how much work was put on something like this and how seriously compilation was taken. No surprise it is good, and no longer that easily available despite large pressing.
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FreakAnimalFinland

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/01/25/contagious-orgasm-the-flow-of-sound-without-parameter/
They were talking about not finding Contagious Orgasm interviews for any background infos and yes! Unfortunately artists never gives interviews. Have asked, doesn't want to do, lets the music speak for itself. Not bad idea, sometimes! Genocide Organ, Anenzephalia, comes as some of names who would be nice to hear of, but very unlikely you will ever get.
So, noisextra crew telling what they think of this album. I am vastly bigger fan of old Contagious Orgasm, but for example latest tape on New Approach that just came out, really good first side!

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/02/01/mortar-self-titled/
Murder Corporation side project. Waiting my copies of re-issue arrive. Was never huge fan of Mortar, but I do have them. Murky and suffocating in quite unique way. Noisextra crew going track by track details of this bleakness..

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/02/08/chris-watson-weather-report/
still to listen. Last week was busy, but will get to it... Just reminder for myself!

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/02/15/in-conversation-with-gerald-stevens-erinys/
This is the thing I like with Noisextra. I guess for some newbies it may be situation of "Erinys? Who?".. and just not knowing why should one care? Well, there is beauty in acknowledging guy who basically did one relevant CD release in very specific time. They talk about the weirdness how Erinys got to be released by Tesco, who before this, wasn't really that much associated something like Erinys. They talk about contact mic's, like how Gerald's web info page with contact mic building instructions was how Greh got started with that. Gerard mentioning his dislike for some sort of info gatekeepers who wouldn't want other noiseheads know their gear secrets and he being opposed view. Ready to throw good info for anyone who may need it.
They talk of early days of CDR, funny story of officially licensing images for CD cover. Early mailing list talk. Nuisances of sending promos and so on.
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FreakAnimalFinland

New episode is nice!

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/02/22/in-conversation-with-jack-sargeant/

QuoteJack Sargent, author of Deathtripping: The Cinema of Transgression, Against Control: Essays on William Burroughs, and the forthcoming Industrial. Surreal. Outsider. (working title) book on Jordi Valls (Vagina Dentata Organ), visited Los Angeles and sat down with Greh for a conversation on Burroughs' influence on industrial culture and insight on Jordi Valls' art practice.

Of course his work as author is well known for most industrial noise folks from era when some sort of transgressive movies and weird art went pretty much on same channels as industrial culture sound. Good news of Vagina Dentata Organ book and such.
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FreakAnimalFinland

In Conversation with Christoph Heemann was commented on Heemann topic.

Hair Police – Mortuary Servants 7"
"llness is running around the Noisextra studios, so for this week we are releasing a patreon episode covering the Hair Police "Mortuary Servants" 7." Mike and Tara discuss its background and history including the cover, the recording, driving to pick up the records, the strange pressing of the B side and more. Early days, gnarly times."
https://www.noisextra.com/2023/03/08/hair-police-mortuary-servants/

Still not having patreon account, so hearing this for the first time. Conelly couple talking about early Hair Police 7" and sharing stories about how it was pressed, what it took to get it done, cover art, touring scene couple decades ago and so on. In a way it is shame that Noisextra crew feels they can't really talk so much of their own things in public episodes. Certainly some information leaks here are there, but like discussion at WCN podcast topic, that certain type of noise touring -phenomena would be great to hear, and who guys like Hair Police probably toured way way more than most of noise guys? Also magnitude of USA touring is so bizarre. Think of central Europe, where you can drive from country, through bunch of another countries and do show then. No problem crossing half europe in one day. If you take a boat from Finland to Estonia, if traffic is fine, you can drive all the way to Poland during one day with no challenge whatsoever. Through entire baltic countries. If your ass-stamina is good, you can probably drive to germany. Stories you hear from USA, is like 10 hour drives to play in someone shitty basement and next 10 hour drive to another. Even in this episode, they talk that driving to pick up 7"s was "only 3 hours". Now that there is vinyl factory in Finland, and it is 100km from where I live, I still hesitate is driving worth it if I was to press things there. If bluntly talking about your own things seems little ackward, I think some sort of Q+A episode wouldn't hurt. It would be fans of the podcast asking things, not hosts self-promoting, hah...
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https://www.noisextra.com/2023/03/15/maria-zerfall-tote-zone-with-guest-sean-ragon/

Maria Zerfall passed away in February and Sean Ragon (Cult of Youth) had the idea to pay tribute to her with an episode. He chose the "Tote Zone" cassette to discuss which we used as a jumping point to get into her very mysterious discography. Zerfall was a true force of 80s and 90s industrial tape culture and her mark will forever be felt.

It's good episode. Also funny to listen occasionally, since the Noisextra staff is such a well mannered, that they won't curse or use profanties, and Sean is so excited that sentences are very often like "fuck, this fucking tape is the shit man, the real shit, ..fuck!" -kind of dialogue.

For me Zerfall became familiar when MDP started to reissue her stuff. Back then, didn't seem like anyone cared. Very little sales and stuff was in stock for ages. Not sure what exact moment this stuff became very wanted, but I recall talking to friend saying that you should just grab CD anthology from discogs, it must be like couple euros each. And turns out it ain't "couple of euros". My memories are from 20 year ago, when every dealer had probably too many Zerfall CD's. But now, Kopfkrieg 2xCD, 1 for sale 49 euros haha...

But one gets the point, when looking at Maria Zerfall In Phase Pervers – Ich-Katastrophe CD. As soon as it doesn't appear at discogs in Maria Zerfall main discography, but as separate project, you can grab this CD, multiple mint copies for 7-12 euro. It is great CD. All that music is on VOD vinyl box, so if you have the box, CD is not must. If you don't have VOD box, this CD is absolute must. Some of best of her works there and doesn't overlap with Kopfkrieg 2xCD.

I do not know how it sounds to german listeners. All the little bits and pieces they translate lyrics in this Noisextra episode seems good to me, and I like her vocal style and all that. I have been told by one german guy who mentioned can't listen Maria Zerfall because of the way of delivery was certain type of dialect, not only of specific region, but of social group.. Even if not contect, but possibly tone / delivery known from feminist post-punk nagging? I don't think that was exact words he used, but something very similar. I can't hear that, nor that would be problem for me, good naggers are good. While MZ vinyl box goes down smoothly, with zero problems, I can imagine if there was similar vinyl box of Lydia Lunch rants, I may not sit through that in one session. I do wonder if for fluent german language speakers MZ has qualities rest of us can't really hear?



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MT

Last few have been great episodes. Especially the Zerfall one was excellent.

New drinking game; every time Mike Connelly says "Yeaahh" you take a shot!

FreakAnimalFinland

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/03/22/s-core-my-candle-has-died/
Possibly my all time favorite S*Core. Episode consists bunch of references to interview in SI#12 (http://www.nhfastore.net/si12 ). Only existing S*core interview conducted within... 20+ years?! It was done via letter mail, in Japanese, by Teito Sound Company boss Takahiko. At the same time inspiring, but also melancholic reading due the S*Core being gone.
This LP too, I doubt anyone has the masters and only small quantity of LP exists. That's how its going to be, and perhaps in S*Core way some stuff you let go, so new things can happen. S*Core probably doesn't exactly know how inspiring material has been to many people.

https://www.noisextra.com/2023/03/29/brighter-death-now-innerwar/
Listened latest Noisextra and picked up year 2000 album of BDN into evening playlist. Simply because it must be one of the albums I have least memories. Classics are classics, but despite I have this one as LP and CD, didn't have that clear memories of it. Well, it is BDN allright! Sound he is very much known of, and amusinly enough, like gets mentioned in noisextra, we all know what he used as gear. He printed lists of gear in Innerwar sleeve for example. Regardless of that, even if he'd basically spawned sub-genre of its own, none of those bands really sound like BDN does. Also curiously, in Rogers interview, he mentioned that he doesn't understand artists who can just choose what they sound like and do that. He says when he does stuff, it just comes BDN. Its not sound he has chosen to do, but it is what comes when he starts to make sound and can't make something else. I doubt I have ever read any artist say that. Perhaps that is the crucial difference of BDN and those who just consciously try to emulate the master... ?
Episode did evaluate Innerwar meaning in BDN discography. Its brutality in sound, CD being on Relapse, being featured on Gummo film soundtrack, etc etc.. Perhaps episode could have discussed also little bit of context of genre itself. BDN as one of the biggest reasons why certain subgenre even exists. Not that he was totally alone creating the sound like this, but certainly for a lot of folks, I'd think it is safe to say, early SPK, Nekrophile Recordings and such were not things they were exposed to - but CMI and along it pitch black cold morbid sound of BDN was heard by a lot of people outside the core of industrial music. Now handful of decades later, it all seems old tales, but I am pretty sure that what to us seems 100000% obvious, there must be hundreds of new people along thousand(s) of Noisextra listeners who may be "what is this band?!" who could benefit from few nuggets of "obvious information"... ? There is great piece of writing on Bardo Methodology magazine (don't remember which issue, one of later) where lots of curious BDN/CMI related info is found.
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Andrew McIntosh

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 01, 2023, 08:36:09 AMAlso curiously, in Rogers interview, he mentioned that he doesn't understand artists who can just choose what they sound like and do that. He says when he does stuff, it just comes BDN. Its not sound he has chosen to do, but it is what comes when he starts to make sound and can't make something else. I doubt I have ever read any artist say that.

Really?!
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FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on April 03, 2023, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 01, 2023, 08:36:09 AMAlso curiously, in Rogers interview, he mentioned that he doesn't understand artists who can just choose what they sound like and do that. He says when he does stuff, it just comes BDN. Its not sound he has chosen to do, but it is what comes when he starts to make sound and can't make something else. I doubt I have ever read any artist say that.

Really?!

Yep. Especially these days, I think most artists choose what they do. Form side projects for specific style. It's not like they'd start new project, and it always just.... comes the same.


https://www.noisextra.com/2023/04/05/in-conversation-with-blister-pack/

Noisextra back with interviews! Nice one here. Very much recommended episode for those into 90's noise! What and who is Blister Pack? Well, good enough project that when Killer Bug came to play in USA back in the 90's, he had requested organizer to get this band to same bill!
They talk about the 90's life in rural mountains, not having any "scene" around. Funny story how the guys got to know eachother. Talk about videos, serial killers, noise, cluelessness, good little mentions of Macronympha, Artware, Gerogerigegege and so on.

At some point they start to talk that there are some number missing from discogs listing, and supposedly some didn't really happen, but then 004 did happen "we don't talk about it".. haha! Partners in crime discuss it briefly and other one asking Did we release IT?! Well, yes in deed!
Perhaps they prefer it remain unmentioned, unlisted, but out of curiosity, first of all, I walked to my record store and pulled out copy I had for sale for decade or so among noise tapes, away from any sweaty perv's who might be willing to buy it now.. Have to put it to trade list at some point. and returned home to listen my own copy I have. Weirdo 90's noise by Blister Pack dudes. One side more experimental approach in noise, other side more harsh. Not phenomenal, but stuff I like as it is so out of norm. As far as I understood, first 10 copies in very special package and this 2nd edition was... 15? Or 50? I think 15. I got my copies from Artware, which is label they talk very fondly on this episode.

Excellent.
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https://www.noisextra.com/2023/04/12/mb-aktivitat/

Hour talk about classic MB stuff. Some nice quotes, like how The Haters, Masami and MB got to know eachother etc.

In recent times, in Finland has been quite big discussion about "art criticism" and its crisis. Triggered by the biggest newspaper publishing absolutely crushing review of poetry book of former ice skating gold medalist. Book was of course funny, and deserved the criticism, but of course it was widely also considered to be pure misogyny and bullying. Elitism of some sort. And whatever. All the different media houses and journalists, artists and people in general engaging into discussion what is "art criticism" and does it have role anymore.

Some people mentioned that indeed, people usually do not get what is "art criticism". Review isn't really question of did you like it or didn't you, but evaluation, examine or assess, nature, quality, value, importance. It may be opinion of the reviewer, bound to certain moment and state of mind, sure, but the "review" is generally the dialogue between art and reviewer, which could spawn further dialogue among people who are part of the same cultural milieu. It could be the honest non-commercial voice, since it is not just the sales pitch.

The review episodes of Noisextra clearly fill that type of function. Track by track examination of what it really is that is found from MB, often loosely put into context of time and artform where it operated. Background infos and so on. I like. Plus feel there could be easily more talk about things that is being mentioned in episodes. Even if Noisextra works in form of free flowing talk, this examination of cult noise records, and little hints to other things (like lets say: Dark Vinyl CD's!) function nicely as art criticism. Some always think criticism translated as adverse or disapproving comments, but that ain't what criticism is.  Rather analysis of the merits and faults of a work. After critical evaluation, it can be all just positive praise. Like tends to be in Noisextra, when they pick up seemingly their personal favorites that may be... flawless? hah...

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