COVID-19

[minimal.impact]

https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2020/CSIRO-begins-testing-Covid-19-vaccines

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/Health/Infectious-dieases-coronavirus/Our-response/Understanding-the-virus

[WhiteWarlock]

Nail on the head, "Trust the experts" is a retarded meme. Who are the experts? The WHO, which downplayed the virus at first due to the sway China has over them. The media? When stories of the virus first hit, the mainstream media ran articles telling everyone not to worry - the real virus is racism and the flu kills millions every year. People on Twitter have compiled videos of NYC officials in February telling everyone to go about their normal lives and attend the crowded Lunar New Year celebrations, reassuring the public that an outbreak would never happen. Look at them now. World experts are politicized and bought off like many other factors of society. The idea that lab coats are these moral beings that don't bow to greed and politics is ridiculous.

American political discourse lacks the nuance to even properly engage with ideas. The left/right divide here is fake and purposely controlled in order to avoid issues of culture, the approved topic of debate is superficial economic policy. The media labelling people like Bill Mitchell and Charlie Kirk "far right" is done as to seal off legitimate dissident ideas away from debate.

The standard "protocol" Hegelian Dialectic of manipulate, divide, conquer the masses especially with media fear porn is classic strategy.
Left/Right system tends being 2 cheeks of the same ass... "Control"
We are under total martial law now in much of the states, yet they are just using official more friendly name games.
Major Metro areas are completely under stay inside lockdown for typical citizens.
There will be rioting, looting, & total chimpouts as is the expected natural response for some.
They want 18+ months of "lockdown" & release psychopath killers/rapists into the streets,
yet they arrest average people for daring not conforming with the new social rules...
This is all a purposeful strategic recipe for disaster, sabotage, & subterfuge.
Completely shutting down the economy will be far worse than any Corona Virus.
We are facing worst economic depression in history of country soon with food shortages.
All under the farce guise that they care so much about citizens.

[host body]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/technology/coronavirus-fauci-trump-conspiracy-target.html?searchResultPosition=1

More fake news from the failing New York Times.


More seriously though. Most of the stuff I've read, which admittedly has to the best of my knowledge not been sourced from Facebook or Twitter, has suggested that for the most part Fauci's opinions are valued by most ends of the political spectrum. Though presumably less by the apparent Far Right. Perhaps a video getting retweeted 1500 times is newsworthy, I couldn't say.

honestly "the far right", anti-vaxxers and other groups who have apparently taken being wrong on the internet their main mission in life deserve to catch corona and i hope they try to tough it out without any help, as their worldview says they should.

How tolerant and reasonable of you.

it's just poetic justice, buddy

[deutscheasphalt]

Still agree the most with Theodore's takes here. Also the earlier one from this thread about advising high-risk groups to quarantine themselves instead of trying to force everybody to stay home. Future developments in Sweden will be an example of this. Apparently there was a survey here in Germany asking about support for the current measures (which to be fair are not that strict for the time being). I've only heard from it on the radio so I'm not sure how accurate it is but the overwhelming support (like 90% or something) pro government restricting freedoms like walking and hanging out outside seems scary.
Also this slowing the spread stuff is pissing me off - if you quarantine high-risk groups, who cares about how fast the virus spreads amongst those getting ill who don't need to be hospitalized? Social distancing is fine and should be practiced anyways (who wants to fill their lungs with some random stranger's breath?!) Sweden has pretty based takes here since the economic damage especially in the US from all these safety measures is already a disaster and the resulting deaths from that will far outweigh anything this covid bullcrap could've ever done.

[host body]

Still agree the most with Theodore's takes here. Also the earlier one from this thread about advising high-risk groups to quarantine themselves instead of trying to force everybody to stay home.

The problem is that even healthy, young people if unlucky could need intensive care. Around 20% of infected need hospital care iirc, so even if we just made everyone over 70, everyone overweight, all smokers, people with existing illnesses, asthmatics etc. Stay home until we get a vaccine the health care system would still get overwhelmed.

It's a shitty situation and it's not getting better in a long time,months in the least but likely even longer. We're gonna have to just let people die at some point.

[APPLE]

In England, a 19 year old and a 13 year old have died from the virus. No underlying health conditions. It is definitely not only deadly for the elderly & it sounds absolutely awful to endure even if you recover.

At least one notable active industrial musician has contracted the virus. PROTECT POWER ELECTRONICS AT ALL COST!!!!!

[Yrjö-Koskinen]

I finally sat down with the Imperial College report that changed the policy of the UK (and probably the US too), and it's not very encouraging reading. Basically it says that you need to shut most things down, and that "mitigation strategies" will overload the health care system eight times over (literally). At the same time, it says that shutting things down won't work because the vast majority of people are bound to be infected sooner or later anyhow, and that once you open stuff up everything will creep back towards disaster mode again. In the final analysis, the report seems to be advocating a kind of pulsating shut-down going on for months on end, where you close schools and quarantine people once a certain amount of infections have been detected in a certain area, and then open things back up when the number goes down. This would then need to go on until a vaccine is found or until "herd immunity" is achieved. Which would be in about 18 months to two years.

As a side note, this whole idea that young and healthy people are affected too is really quite pointless. This is true if you count from the hospital side of things, much like it is true that you may become a millionaire by buying lottery tickets because several people have become millionaires by buying lottery tickets. It really has zero relevance and less for policy ideas and even individual risk assessment. It's basically propaganda to keep young people from copulating themselves into an infected state and then coughing on their grandparents.

[Yrjö-Koskinen]

Still agree the most with Theodore's takes here. Also the earlier one from this thread about advising high-risk groups to quarantine themselves instead of trying to force everybody to stay home. Future developments in Sweden will be an example of this. Apparently there was a survey here in Germany asking about support for the current measures (which to be fair are not that strict for the time being). I've only heard from it on the radio so I'm not sure how accurate it is but the overwhelming support (like 90% or something) pro government restricting freedoms like walking and hanging out outside seems scary.
Also this slowing the spread stuff is pissing me off - if you quarantine high-risk groups, who cares about how fast the virus spreads amongst those getting ill who don't need to be hospitalized? Social distancing is fine and should be practiced anyways (who wants to fill their lungs with some random stranger's breath?!) Sweden has pretty based takes here since the economic damage especially in the US from all these safety measures is already a disaster and the resulting deaths from that will far outweigh anything this covid bullcrap could've ever done.

Well, Sweden has fucked everything up by managing to get COVID-19 infections into approximately 1/3 of all residential homes/Wohnheime for senior citizens in the entire country. This will probably mean circus tier fatality rates in the coming few weeks. On the other hand, this is mainly because the government of Sweden didn't ban visitors for these facilities until quite recently (and generally has done nothing to actually "protect" high risk groups), and doesn't really say much about the general idea of soft-handed containment.

As things stand now it seems that it would probably have been better to:
a) spare the People's Republic style control measures for protecting the "high risk groups"
b) allow the rest of us to keep drinking and infecting ourselves
c) spend ginormous amount of cash on expanding health care to meet the violent peaks of infection, rather than ruining the world/Western economy just to try and keep everybody healthy despite the fact that we know this to be impossible.

It's just terrible that Sweden is one of only few examples of countries trying to implement this agenda, given that they have already failed in so many respects that the theory will never get a fair hearing.

[Andrew McIntosh]

A Vomir nation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52145140

[Bleak Existence]

dream of claustration becoming real - hope it will stay like that after the virus - less people less problem around

[Bob]

Almost 4000 official deaths in the UK this week I think it's impossible to call it anything other than a political failure even the UK PM himself has the virus and his partner who is pregnant is showing symptoms. Why a country like the USA would follow UK policy or advice is beyond me I really don't understand. Whatever NY is going through I hope it is acting as a warning to the rest of the US. At least Italy and Spain are seeming to stabilise in recent days.There is no guarantee of a developing immunity or that in time the virus will not mutate. Korea stopped it by testing alone so maybe they have given the best example. Bizarrely or not I am listening to some great Italian film soundtracks amongst other records during social distancing some good things on sale here https://www.quartetrecords.com/

[WhiteWarlock]

Coronavirus: what is ivermectin aka Ivomec?
The readily available anti-parasitic drug has proven effective against Covid-19 in vitro, as well as against other viruses, although human studies are ongoing.


Ivermectin was first developed in 1975 and came into medical use in 1981. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.

It is currently used as a treatment for strongyloidiasis, a parasitic disease caused by roundworms that affects an estimated 30 million to 100 million people worldwide. Ivermectin is effective in destoying the parasites in the intestine.

It is also to alleviate the symptoms of onchocerciasis, or river blindness, which can lead to severe itching, bumps under the skin, and blindness. In the case of river blindness, for which there is no vaccine, ivermectin is not a cure but has been proven to kill the larvae if not the adult worms. It is administered to patients once every six to 12 months.  

Ivermectin is also used to treat head lice, scabies and other diseases caused by roundworms and whipworms globally. It is available on the market in drugs including Ivexterm, Ivergot, Dermoper IV, Detebencil, Evanix, Iver P and Ivertal and usually administered in pill form, although it is also manufactured as drops, creams and injectable solutions.
Covid-19 ivermectin tests on humans needed to test effectiveness

The study from Monash University showed that a single dose of Ivermectin could stop the coronavirus growing in cell culture -- effectively eradicating all genetic material of the virus within two days.https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare/anti-parasitic-drug-killed-coronavirus-within-48-hours-in-lab-5623651.htm ...
Anti-parasitic drug killed coronavirus within 48 hours in lab

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug that has also been shown to be effective in vitro against a broad range of viruses including HIV, dengue, influenza and zika virus.
Ivomec also comes in Apple flavor!
https://en.as.com/en/2020/04/04/other_sports/1586014265_026414.html

https://steemkr.com/health/@pomeline/ivermectin-a-possible-treatment-of-coronaviruses-and-ncov

[JLIAT]

Almost 4000 official deaths in the UK this week I think it's impossible to call it anything other than a political failure even the UK PM himself has the virus and his partner who is pregnant is showing symptoms. Why a country like the USA would follow UK policy or advice is beyond me I really don't understand. Whatever NY is going through I hope it is acting as a warning to the rest of the US. At least Italy and Spain are seeming to stabilise in recent days.There is no guarantee of a developing immunity or that in time the virus will not mutate. Korea stopped it by testing alone so maybe they have given the best example. Bizarrely or not I am listening to some great Italian film soundtracks amongst other records during social distancing some good things on sale here https://www.quartetrecords.com/

How can a virus which has affected people globally in different political regimes be a political failure, when the government has made no political decisions other than to follow the advice of its medical advisors. If there is any cause for using the term 'failure' it relates then those advisors  decisions. I'm not aware of the USA having a particularly coherent approach, or following the UK. You then talk of Italy and Spain, yet the UK are I think more or less following the same restrictions and actions. Of course there is no guarantee of immunity, but again the advice is that this will be likely. As for mutation, again no guarantee, in science you have no guarantees only  probabilities. Korea seems to be a special case, not just testing but lockdowns and immediate closing of public spaces, meanwhile in the UK people continue to ignore the lockdown. So I think you are right they may be a very good example, but how do we enforce the social distancing. And we started with insufficient testing facilities, unlike other countries. That maybe is a political mistake, but to make the case you would need to compare the outcomes where testing was available. The German case is interesting compared to Italy. "RKI criticised that too many people without symptoms were tested."...checkout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Germany#Testing.  Add to that the arm chair generals, a media used to making the most extreme responses to events, crackpots burning 5G towers and drinking cows urine...  The causes and correct responses may well be complex, maybe political, or social, or bad science, analysis will show, or we can blame the politicians, 5G networks, The Devil ... punishment from God etc. or greater freedom in western countries, more open media... myself I blame it on the boogie.  

[WhiteWarlock]

Sweden isn't following with any global lockdown as advised by Bill Gates & they don't have an increased mortality rate or packed hospitals.

[WhiteWarlock]

BTW someone personally knew that smoked 3 packs a day since the 70s & had lung cancer is now on the death toll from CV19...
He was in seriously bad condition long before this recent Global Panicdemic.
There is something seriously wrong with all of this media fear porn medical martial law.