NOISE RELATED RANDOM TALK TOPIC

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, August 05, 2024, 09:53:12 AM

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BatteredStatesofEuphoria

Quote from: Fields on August 24, 2024, 02:11:42 PMWas talking with some friends the other day about harsh noise listening, and partially inspired about the SLOW noise thread was thinking, what kinds of harsh noise would be best suited for QUIETer listening (or do you think HN strictly requiers the VOLUME)? I've loved the recent Dead Body Love reissues, and feel some of the less frantic, more sludging tracks are a great fit. A lot of tasty destroyed cassette rumble steadily grinding forwards.

I've found Hijokaidan works quite well at quieter volumes usually. A lot of their material isn't conducive to being played at high volumes anyway, especially with headphones, unless you want to do yourself some serious hearing damage. But whether low or maybe up a bit, many times it induces a pretty pleasant, trance-like feeling for me. Probably something I could go to sleep to if I used music for that, which isn't meant as a criticism.

Svartvit

Quote from: Fields on August 24, 2024, 02:11:42 PMWas talking with some friends the other day about harsh noise listening, and partially inspired about the SLOW noise thread was thinking, what kinds of harsh noise would be best suited for QUIETer listening (or do you think HN strictly requiers the VOLUME)? I've loved the recent Dead Body Love reissues, and feel some of the less frantic, more sludging tracks are a great fit. A lot of tasty destroyed cassette rumble steadily grinding forwards.
I actually find a lot of feedback-heavy material quite pleasant at lower volume. It is nice to blast obviously but there is something soothing about lower volume feedback.
Svartvit - Coma Cluster - Secret(e)

FreakAnimalFinland

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Any Cloister fest visitors in Sweden last weekend? Opinions, feelings?

EDIT: Ah! I see Manhog went there and wrote to gig reports! In Finland you had Beherit on Friday, then small noise gig at Tampere on Saturday, but I was at the apocalyptic rites for both days. Accidie played krautrock type electronic set, Iron Clad played rough racialist power electronics, Pyhä Kuolema play neofolk, otherwise metal. Grand Belial's, Crucifier, Necropole, Clandestine Blaze and more! No complaints!
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 02, 2024, 03:44:00 PMAny Cloister fest visitors in Sweden last weekend? Opinions, feelings?

EDIT: Ah! I see Manhog went there and wrote to gig reports! In Finland you had Beherit on Friday, then small noise gig at Tampere on Saturday, but I was at the apocalyptic rites for both days. Accidie played krautrock type electronic set, Iron Clad played rough racialist power electronics, Pyhä Kuolema play neofolk, otherwise metal. Grand Belial's, Crucifier, Necropole, Clandestine Blaze and more! No complaints!

Can write more later, but in short, a very well put together festival by Marcus and co. Three days that went by without any major issues. Seen mentioned technical difficulties during Survival Unit, but chaos goes hand in hand with that act. A couple of days later with Alfarmania and Proiekt Hat was really good. Finally got to see Lille Roger, which now makes me think later Brighter Death Now are a bit tame, hah. Was great to catch up with people you rarely see, including Richard all the way from Australia. Talk about commitment!

MT

#34
https://youtu.be/b50ISgaDnIk

Noisecast special episode in english! This time we have Pain Appendix as guest, one of the most interesting names of the American noise scene. As interview was conducted in english by Mikko A, it felt natural to do the whole episode same way. So, enjoy. The tapes that are being discussed before the interview are:

Piessa - Ablaatio
Skärgård - Egen Frid - Oma Rauha
Ieskadulla - Pakkala

Youtube and Spotify!

RURAL RESISTANCE

Quote from: MT on September 16, 2024, 08:16:47 PMhttps://youtu.be/b50ISgaDnIk

Noisecast special episode in english! This time we have Pain Appendix as guest, one of the most interesting names of the American noise scene. As interview was conducted in english by Mikko A, it felt natural to do the whole episode same way. So, enjoy. The tapes that are being discussed before the interview are:

Piessa - Ablaatio
Skärgård - Egen Frid - Oma Rauha
Ieskadulla - Pakkala

Youtube and Spotify!

This was a good interview and it was nice that there was pretty minimal overlap with the White Centipede one. Pete is well spoken and comes across as a sincere noise fanatic. I'd been actively liking Toward Infinity and Manuhypnoz before but the Harsh Ways Fest live performance raised Pain Appendix to an even higher position in my books: Powerful layered sounds and charismatic stage presence. Kind of tough guy noise elements without the posing and corny antics? I understand that the term is often used in a negative light but maybe you get what I mean.

As a Finn the Finland angle in the interview is of course interesting and I think one of the strong points is discussing the things that are happening right now as they are fresh and clear in the interviewer's and interviewee's minds. Could've easily listened to this for another hour or so.

Moran

Has anyone listened to the new Tourette?

Fistfuck Masonanie

Quote from: Moran on September 22, 2024, 01:37:10 AMHas anyone listened to the new Tourette?

Only just got the shipping notification today after pre-ordering months ago. The short 5-minute sample on the label's website sounded great and based on previous works, I doubt it will disappoint. Will try to write something about it once I've had a chance to give it a spin.

https://flagdayrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/mati-re-arrach-e

Also very excited to get the Sawn Half - Sink CD. Reviews for it are very positive and the samples are pretty impressive.

https://flagdayrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/sink

FreakAnimalFinland

Even previous Tourette feels like it just got out, but now that I look it, 2021! Well, its about time for more then. I am not huge fan of things that sound like granular stuff, but one can't deny the masterclass skill on Tourette and will grab CD if I see it available in places it makes sense to order.
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Fistfuck Masonanie

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Tourette – Matiere Arrachee CD (Flag Day Recordings)

A focus on "micro" sounds from various sources. Contact mic being dragged carefully over surfaces, modular synths and synths in general, abruptly cut electronics panning in and out of the mix.

All carefully curated of course with very well thought out dynamics and structure. With all of Tourette's material, there is always careful planning and immaculate execution. Tracks build tension well from the addition of full-bodied and sweeping synth chords which play a dominant role on this release. 

Definitely elements of progression from the subtle detail and dynamics of both 2021's album Échancré and 2012's Brûle Mon Ame album which heavily played on strong and abrupt contrast of sounds. Matiere Arrachee constructs more intentional and gradually building crescendos of sound with a well-calculated pullback on dynamics that lead into ambient moments.

Maybe none of this is surprising as a description if you've been paying attention to his past work, unless you jumped from his Troniks album to this, but the album is executed flawlessly. A really immaculate 32 minutes. Among an already accomplished discography this is essential and immediately enters my top releases of the year.

I know it's very crude and not at all well-executed technically, but for some reason, I love the album cover. The contrast of vibrant colors and detailed texture fits the release perfectly. And I'm sure like everything else on this release, that was very intentional.

FreakAnimalFinland

I had been delaying actually listening Slave Labour box. Usually have so many items at my store in "to be listened" piles, that often there is moment that I feel I need to listen more CD or LP or tape, just so the pile don't grow too huge and can then add more. Tape piles are huge, but tape player broke. Got to take it fixed. Luckily found a place next city who does it. Have fixed couple dubbing decks already. This will be among next. So proceeded to CD's, and Slave Labour was one of those. Its a big box, so makes room quick, but its so damn good, I've been mostly listening that, and not moving on. Wrote few things on Gilden topic.

When listening this box multuple times, it awoke this question of approach : is a release "archive" or is it for "listening"? 4xCD is clearly for listening! Not just sort of preservation of history in concrete form, that will be mostly just laying around there in your shelves. I got several huge boxes consisting 10-50 CDS and I know for a fact, I aint pulling them out from shelves in a way I would do for release that is for LISTENING. Curious if other people have their favorite box size. Should it be complete or should it be manageable to listen through? Like this Slave Labor, it takes you merely 3 hours to listen it through, so goes quickly. Think about Skin Crime, Hijokaidan The Noise, Merzbox or something...

On podcasts... Been listening all WCN, Noisextra and since I tend to walk outdoors hour or couple hours a day, if being alone, I listen mostly noise podcast. Yesterday, thinking what the hell to listen to now when its all listened, decided to give it a try to latest Women of Noise podcast. I sort of promised myself that will no longer mention that podcast anywhere as most often its not even about noise. This time, luckily, there is actually noise content there, but come on man. How difficult it must be to get female artists that do noise? We got two transpersons giggling and acting silly, half an hour talking about femboys, sissyboys and latest twitter trans-scene/furry drama before eventually proceed into surface level noise talk. jeeeeesus. Well, it wasn't all waste. Some insights, and little peek to other side of the scene I don't need to know much.
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Personally, the bigger the boxset the better.  Entire discographies are best of all.  In that regard, Merzbox is the most perfect one I have currently...  I like when I can spend an extended period of time on one artist especially, tracking development and changes.  Some smaller sets tend to be just highlights, skipping over the "in between" releases where a lot of evolution happens (even if they might be less spectacular in themselves).

BatteredStatesofEuphoria

A lot of the boxes around 4 or so discs that have come out were more proper releases with mostly new material than meant as an archive. Whereas the bigger boxes once you get up to 7+ are all archival compilations of older releases or live sets. At least I can't think of any box that was actually someone up and composing hours and hours of new material for release in one shot. That something like Sexencylopedia or Metalveladrome was always meant as new material might impact the overall listenability of feel of them.

Then again, listenability is going to be subjective. Is there an ideal length? Again that will be subjective depending on the person. I do think the bigger the box the more naturally it is going to be intimidating for most. And that's just because everyone only has so much time to devote to music. Do I want to spend the next few months listening exclusively to the Merzbox, or listening to a hundred different artists I like instead? Which isn't to knock the Merzbox and those who would choose it at all. But most are going to make the second choice.

I do think the boxes that compile old releases and significant parts of discographies generally have a "stronger" pull than live sets. The Hijokaidan: The Noise box has a lot of great live material and is an impressive artifact all around. But is it mandatory if you're not a huge fan of theirs specifically? Probably not. The highlights of their main discography are enough if you're just a general noise fan. Its a nice supplement to those releases, but there's plenty out there beyond it. There's an alternative.

OTOH, Case Studies In Early Taxidermy Techniques and Box Is Stupid are pretty much mandatory if you don't have the original releases, for the fact that they document material that is both high quality and hard to find otherwise. SC and Incaps are important parts of noise. And if you want to listen to old Skin Crime, you've got to go for the box. There is no alternative (beyond hunting down the old tapes/CDRs). Although, even there, would the boxes mean as much to someone who is lucky to have the original releases?

TL:DR: I don't think there's an ideal box length, although once you get past 20 its dodgy. Its more about what the box documents than how long it is.

FreakAnimalFinland

Ju-Jikan: 10 Hours Of Sound From Japan 2xCD... jeeeesus. This was quite a challenge to listen through. 2002 release on 23five. There are Pain Jerk, Merzbow, Masonna, that are real deal noise. There are few that are pretty good in experimental sound, but god damn, 2002 computer glitch stuff aged badly. Very badly. It is also pretty nasty that Masonna has like minute. Pain Jerk little over 2 minutes, and then some digi snap&crackle minimalist works feels like going on for ages.
It would be interesting to hear, if the wider experimental scene hears this completely other way round? Like, what is this yelling through distortion pedal doing here and ruining flow of great comp!  hah...
I got bunch of other related compilations waiting on pile. Thing is, was mostly drawn to 23five label due it had releases of G*Park, Chop Shop, Gum,John Duncan... and proceeded into Tim Catlin, Jason Kahn, Tarab and other names I didn't know before. At some point decided to get these 3 comps that I have had long time in "waiting to be listened". France and Australia comps done 20 years ago. Lets see if I will torment myself with those today.

"Exhibition companion compilation to San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, Sept. 6-14 2003, listening room program 33 RPM: 10 Hours of Sound From France" with almost exclusively artists I barely know. huh.. Same thing for Australia.
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It was kind of curious to see label who most often focuses on fairly new artists, Satatuhatta, put out Ramirez tape! But not a bad choice. It is good tape. There was couple moments when thinking is Ramirez doing his kind of usual thing, that bunch of good stuff, and then a bit more generic filler thrown in. There was more "organic", almost wall noise type of stuff on early b-side and was thinking will it be like this till the end, but no. Then followed by loud and fierce noise till end and making me think, he is definitely one of the masters. Doing C-60, after all these years, and still nailing it in a way that it makes one think this could need CD reissue since its better than many of his albums?! Is it? Or just a feeling. Could be!

Tape deck at work broke, and took it to the maintainance. Luckily place found in next city and have fixed already 6 dubbing decks now, but this one listening deck from work is there now. First though should I bring new deck at work, but decided to spend couple weeks with CD/LP and yesterday LINEKRAFT "Silence" 2xCD edition was listened. Not a fan of expanded re-issues. If having old version, now due the 2nd disc got to have this too. Not 100% mandatory, but indeed, its Linekraft so I took it. Good stuff. Industrial-noise ain't that huge "scene", so there isn't that much of stuff like Linekraft being done.
Macronympha "The Spectacle of ravishing out maidens" CD. Good. Not their best, but good. Covers look as if they were not really scan of the original, but perhaps even taken from discogs or something, hah.. Really blurry and lazy lay-out. I do like keeping it simple and not do too much revisionism with old noise, but sharpness would be good. I read somewhere that audio is nowhere as good as it was on tape. Someone mentioned its actually turned mono? Without comparing it, sounds fine to me. Mono, in context of noise, ain't bad. can be actually good.

It was surprising reading New Forces #12 newsletter other day, with Altar of Flies interview. This "issue", which is one of those two-sided papers NF is giving with orders, came couple of years ago. In that Altar Of Flies mentions he still records everything mono. Has thought about getting computer for recording. We'll, lets hope if man changes into new recording device, it won't have negative effect. Mono noise can be just great.

Another thing in AoF interview is almost "nostalgic" feel of covid times. Even if it was still very fresh couple of year ago, still perhaps also some others have at least now this almost nostalgic feeling and how the pandemic effected noise at that moment. At least I know handful of guys that got good break from the cycle to re-connect with noise things. Like with AoF, for me, nothing really changed that much. Some amusing experiences, questioned by military where am I driving or not allowed to go to bar due not having "covid passport".. Now when you think these things, it is even funnier than it was then. Did I record or publish more noise? Not sure. I think just the same amount as always.
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