RIP OFF ALERTS topic

Started by SyzmicRecords, February 08, 2010, 10:21:44 PM

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Steve

Unless you give a name / organisation I do not know whether this guy has been doing this other folk.
Personally I'll tell the chap I was in his area and drop in to pick up package, see how he reacts ...


Leatherface


Johann

#123
I think Italian/E. Europe labels get a bad rep. I personally have had bad luck with Italian post, I think I've ordered from Italy 4 times, one package was lost and resent (thank you soundohm, that was very kind of you). I had a one lost package from second sleep, and one I ordered after showed up fast and just received a package from Italy ordered in late November from Joy. So I think a lot of it has to deal with how the package travels (boat is always slower) as well as the level of corruption (is that fair to say?) within the local municipalities. I just suggest using tracking if ordering from Italy, Poland, Greece or other CIS countries. But though a lot of labels catch heat, I think a lot over there it really isn't their fault.


GEWALTMONOPOL

Quote from: Johann on February 21, 2016, 05:21:23 PMMichigan scene

Infamous for stoners, hippies, dudes and mañana, mañana types. Probably not a rip off, just a stoner who thinks "whoa dude, relax, it's only music dude".

*takes another drag on his tenth joint of the day while contemplating the next batch of jamz he and his stoner friends will commit to tape and then falls asleep on the couch*
Först när du blottar strupen ska du få nåd, ditt as...

tiny_tove

#125
Quote from: Johann on February 21, 2016, 05:21:23 PM
I think Italian/E. Europe labels get a bad rep. I personally have had bad luck with Italian post, I think I've ordered from Italy 4 times, one package was lost and resent (thank you soundohm, that was very kind of you). I had a one lost package from second sleep, and one I ordered after showed up fast and just received a package from Italy ordered in late November from Joy. So I think a lot of it has to deal with how the package travels (boat is always slower) as well as the level of corruption (is that fair to say?) within the local municipalities. I just suggest using tracking if ordering from Italy, Poland, Greece or other CIS countries. But though a lot of labels catch heat, I think a lot over there it really isn't their fault.

"Regarding the Italian problem"
I got my reputation almost shattered in the 90's due to mail related malfunctions. I lost so much stuff back in the days I had to close my old tape label "Soffitta macabra" because of that and took a long hiatus. Losses were not one-direction only, naturally and I had to face also real rip offs and thieves.

During the following years I was able to hook up and sort most "debts" I had. When I got back in business a few later with Ebay I forced buyers to pay for registered mail. Italian registered mail has these two peculiarities: extremely expensive, extremely slow. Until a few years ago, there was not even priority.
You cannot pay 8 euro for a tape that costs 6 euro.

For a few years things improved, and the only problems I encountered were seasonal postmen that stole material around August, when the actual postman was on holiday. We had three in about 6 years, and they hit the big news. After that, I got an expensive private PO BOX and losses decreases dramatically, yet I spend a lot for that privilege.

In the last two years, Italian postal service got shitty again, now things are even slower (some people of this forum has witnessed this in firts-person) and extremely expensive, this is why I use only "normal" surface mail. It is going to be slow anyway, so I'd rather not waste money on the postal system. But I suggest alternatives to people who buy. Another ridicolous thing is they have now created an international registered-priority service that, hironically enough, you cannot trace  the tracking number ahas. When I asked explanation they told me it is valid on the web site of the destination country, which I tried and does not work.

Then, there are definitely many Italians that fit the stereotype of slowness - I am the first to be very slow wit releases with years of wait in the making for everything I do, which is unnerving for both myself and people I collaborate, but try to be quick with orders and trades - but there are several morons that are rip-off/liars and have a "fuck you" attitude when confronted with friends defending them with the weirdest excuses. But they tend to not last long.
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Steve

"The reason why I haven't listed my seller yet is because he's someone involved in at least the Michigan scene",

Ha! Probably Knox Mitchell!

Theodore

Quote from: tiny_tove on February 21, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
For a few years things improved, and the only problems I encountered were seasonal postmen that stole material around August, when the actual postman was on holiday. We had three in about 6 years, and they hit the big news. After that, I got an expensive private PO BOX and losses decreases dramatically, yet I spend a lot for that privilege.

I was worrying when last summer the usual old-man postman retired and a younger one replaced him. So far no problem. From a buyer's only perspective i am more afraid of all those guys-kids who leave ads / flyers for pizza delivery etc in the boxes than any postal service. I only use registered mail if the seller recommends it cause of his side. I guess a label / distro is easier to be spotted by a thief in the postal system than a consumer would be.
"ἀθάνατοι θνητοί, θνητοὶ ἀθάνατοι, ζῶντες τὸν ἐκείνων θάνατον, τὸν δὲ ἐκείνων βίον τεθνεῶτες"

Mieczko K.

Quote from: Leatherface on February 21, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Mieczko K. on February 21, 2016, 04:15:59 PM
* Easthate
http://easthate.pl/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/easthate/profile

* Naked Lunch Records
http://nakedlunchrecords.blogspot.fr/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/AsKvltAsHellRecords/profile

Both sellers have a perfect feedback profiles, and a lot of label/distro works with Naked Lunch without problems.

Some had better luck than me I guess.

About easthate, paid for 2 tapes (just 2 damn tapes), they never arrived. Guy stopped answered be (while we were "in touch" for months, his expression...) after a while.

About Naked Lunch, we settled a trade, he received mine, but I never saw his part. He told me he will send another package and, of course, disappeared and stopped answering mail.
So what they do with others don't change the fact that these 2 have ripped me off.

tiny_tove

Quote from: tiny_tove on February 21, 2016, 08:04:39 PM

"Regarding the Italian problem"
I

I quote myself.

One package sent via airmail to USA - 4 months.
Almost impossibile to have fast deliveries with France and the UK (recently lost two big deliveries to both country),.

Never and I say never use the Italian International registered priority, it is as slow as regular mail, it costs a lot, you cannot trace it despite tracking number and often price at the office differs from what you see on site.

I suggest if you order from Italy to use:

- ordinary mail (very slow, but at least cheap)
- registered package (pretty expensive...)
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Baglady

I've never heard of the "italian problem" before, and I've ordered stuff from Italy countless times. A trade pack from Angst took a detour via Hawaii once, and reached me a few months later, but that's pretty much it. I guess I shouldn't try my luck with Italy unless I have to in the future..

tiny_tove

Quote from: theotherjohn on May 23, 2017, 09:58:03 AM
Had much luck with using courier services instead? I suppose it's only applicable/cost-effective for medium to large orders but it's still worth considering.
I work in switzerland so it is impossible for me, since I return home too late for pickup to send stuff by courier. sending/receiving in switzerland is a mess due to ridiculous taxes

and since I tend to send small orders it would be too expensive :/
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tisbor

I confirm (as any Italian can) that postal service here sucks balls. At least two packages I sent in the last three months were lost. Lots took ages to leave Italy. Registered mail is safe cause the package will not get lost or be tampered with, at least as long as it's in Italy (yep, they even steal packages sometimes)

online prowler

#133
Force Italia!

I know the post from Italy may be late, but haven't lost anything from there myself. Count me lucky?

Anyways.... is it possible to merge this thread w the: 'Bad Sellers / Traders' thread in section 'CLASSIFIED ADS' - or for the better visa versa as this is the oldest? A bit annoying to have both spread all over my cake. Have anyone beat me to this inquiry?

absurdexposition

I'll just repost here and maybe that other thread can get moved to the place where threads go to die.

QuoteBeen ages since I've had a bad experience with anyone, and just wanted to report this one here.

Serge / Smrt Productions from Slovenia (analogansmrtproductions.blogspot.rs). He initiated a trade back in December and I shipped my end out middle of that month, he said he would ship his end the following week. Skip to February, no tapes yet - claims they have been sent and that he'll check tracking (which he didn't provide). Early March, no tapes, "I'll see what I can do" reply. Late March, no tapes, "I will send a second package today or tomorrow" reply. Late April, no tapes, no reply. Last week, no tapes, no reply.

Anyone in contact or have experience with him?
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