Punk/Hardcore

Started by Reprobate, March 23, 2012, 03:29:09 AM

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tiny_tove

aaaargh!!! I must have the NYC Mayhem record!!! Straight ahead was one of my obsessions back in the days (alongside their dopplegangers Rest in pieces)
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YDI RULED. They were from Philly, not NYC though.
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Zeno Marx

Since we're talking NYHC here...  I like the Lou Koller-like vocals of this.  Definitely has some crew elements to it.  http://pressingon.bandcamp.com/
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eyestrain

That has to be Brian Stern (Talk Is Poison, Living Eyes, etc...). Love his voice! Definitely sounds like his bass playing too.

bitewerksMTB

MENTALLY ILL are "fucking your kids":

http://fuckedbynoise.blogspot.com/2015/04/mentally-ill-gacys-place.html

Snotty vocals & fuzzed out guitars.

Grübelschlinge

#350
Found the Ultra-Violent 7" reissue at local recordshop. Glad I finally got it. Still stoked about the great cover being more violent than any collage of flesh, cum or whatever imagery seen today, fuck.

Andrew McIntosh

Shikata ga nai.

Euro Trash Bazooka

I think Sadist have some potential in spite of sticking too much to their influences but their recordings sound like shit, which is something that's been plaguing the US punk scene for the last 5 years or so.
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Andrew McIntosh

Do you mean that you don't personally care much for a deliberate lo-fi kind of sound or you think some bands are over-doing it?
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Zeno Marx

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 03, 2015, 12:44:40 PM
Do you mean that you don't personally care much for a deliberate lo-fi kind of sound or you think some bands are over-doing it?
There's a trend for bands to be noisy for the sake of being noisy and following the Japanese trend to play noisy HC/crust/whathaveyou (Zyanose, for instance).  Most music is derivative, so that isn't the problem.  It's that a lot of what is now noisy lacks any semblance of passion or sincerity.  I love noisy, raw HC, but when it comes across as another dribbling strand from the sausage maker...well, who wants to be bothered with that?  The amazing thing for me is that it seems like it would be hard to fuck up.  Speed.  Noise.  Dissonance.  Chaos.  You have all these elements that should build into a visceral experience, but what comes out is an overdone, starchy noodle.  To me, that comes down to the inability to listen to a genre or style of music and not be able to pick up on the nuances of it.  Just make it noisy without any understanding of what about noisy HC makes for good noisy HC.  That does for any trend, obviously.  It happens to be problematic in HC right now.
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Euro Trash Bazooka

All hail Zeno! You put it into much better words than I ever could.

Andrew, same as Zeno, I LOVE noisy/raw hardcore punk. I think one of the main issues with this kind of music nowadays is that it's mostly created by "consumers", people who don't REALLY listen to the music they play, who can't feel it. They don't realise Gloom's album is a proper riff fest with meticulously written songs, they have never heard Harass' 7", etc... To most American punks, playing hardcore has turned from being a passion to a habit, and it makes for shit bands. Mauser? Come on. The current NYC scene? Ridiculous. Etc...

It's not about overdoing it either. For instance, Infekzioa are really noisy and can be sloppy as hell (they did improve between both times I saw them live though. The drummer went from playing one single beat for an entire set to using both cymbals of his kit) but they really display some kind of brutal and overflowing energy when they play, which isn't what I can say about most US bands right now (and some Euro bands too!)
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bitewerksMTB

#356
The Fix "Jan's Room" 7":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABmU97_uHFc

I remember reading that the title refers to a boarding house where a rape occurred.


FreakAnimalFinland

Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 03, 2015, 09:11:37 PMThe amazing thing for me is that it seems like it would be hard to fuck up.  Speed.  Noise.  Dissonance.  Chaos.  You have all these elements that should build into a visceral experience, but what comes out is an overdone, starchy noodle.  To me, that comes down to the inability to listen to a genre or style of music and not be able to pick up on the nuances of it.  Just make it noisy without any understanding of what about noisy HC makes for good noisy HC.  That does for any trend, obviously.  It happens to be problematic in HC right now.

I'd say the same thing about black metal for example. So much of "cavernous", "raw", whatever. But lightyears away from bands who were raw naturally, and with personal touch to it. Now many bands appear to be raw for very different reasons.
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Andrew McIntosh

The thing with a lot of Metal bands "back in the day", or the Eighties if you prefer, is that they wanted to have a better production sound but couldn't, not just because of costs but because a lot of the average studio engineers at the time just didn't understand the kind of music more extreme Metal bands were doing. Bathory's "The Return", for me when it came out, ushered in a new way for Metal to sound, but I'll bet cash money that if Quorthon had the wherewithal at the time it would have sounded a lot different and a lot less memorable. It was common in fanzines at the time to read about people in bands complaining about the production of their albums. Hellhammer were sledged to the stars with their demo releases and the production became a by-word for "bad" for a lot of zinesters at the time (that and the music of course).

With punk, though, that wasn't supposed to be an issue, or at least that's how I remembered it. Punk was supposed to not give a fuck. Pretty much typified, for example, with the weak-arse production of a lot of Oi! albums from the Eighties (early The Buisiness, early The Oppressed, there's loads of examples as I think about it). They still went down well but the tinny guitar and thin production used to get on my nerves.

And I can't help but see a connection with new PE/Noise projects that bang on about being "filthy" and "dirty". I'm not complaining, just seeing a connection.

Thing is, people actually have a choice now. And faux "authenticity" is a choice. To be honest I don't mind.
Shikata ga nai.

FreakAnimalFinland

I wouldn't go even to that far past. I think type of rawness has changed already within last 10-15 years.
Bands & recordings that were quite raw in late or at least mid 90's are often very different ways raw than current bands.
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