sotos

Started by FreakAnimalFinland, March 04, 2010, 08:29:07 PM

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cantle

Just listened to it- far better than I thought it would be. I agree that they were fair to his work.

I'd have said stuff differently but then again I wasn't there....

Grimpin

#586
I thought it was pretty good. They had an interesting take analysing the True Crime "genre" in general, the motivations and delusions of those involved, etc. And how Sotos breaks the mould, for them, in everyway. To the point I'd probably check out further episodes of both their respective podcasts. But as expected: one of the co-hosts hadn't even heard of Sotos until a week ago. And the expert of the pair: if he's ever ventured past downloading the Pure PDFs, listening to Buyer's Market on youtube, and reading/hearing a few online interviews and articles, he was keeping his cards close to his chest. But I did like hearing about the rattling effect just dipping their toes in his pond is having on them. Which sort of mirrored my experience, when I first did. May it continue.

Re: Podcasts and Sotos. Obviously there's not much out there, but Anita Dalton of Odd Things Considered was great talking about his work on some podcast or other, once, for five minutes or so. I'll find it now.

https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/ep-18-odd-things-considereds-anita-dalton-on-weird-books-unusual-subcultures/




Xsforeyes

AS just announced they'll be releasing another Sotos "definitive collection" this Spring. No word yet on what it is tho.

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: Xsforeyes on November 06, 2024, 03:01:01 PMAS just announced they'll be releasing another Sotos "definitive collection" this Spring. No word yet on what it is tho.

Great news, and I am very curious to see what this turns out to be.  Hopefully a continuation of the series that Obviates seemed to start?

Xsforeyes

Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on November 06, 2024, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: Xsforeyes on November 06, 2024, 03:01:01 PMAS just announced they'll be releasing another Sotos "definitive collection" this Spring. No word yet on what it is tho.

Great news, and I am very curious to see what this turns out to be.  Hopefully a continuation of the series that Obviates seemed to start?

I somehow missed it but they're also releasing some completely new writing too.


I love my copy of Obviates.

Balor/SS1535

Quote from: Xsforeyes on November 07, 2024, 05:09:37 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on November 06, 2024, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: Xsforeyes on November 06, 2024, 03:01:01 PMAS just announced they'll be releasing another Sotos "definitive collection" this Spring. No word yet on what it is tho.

Great news, and I am very curious to see what this turns out to be.  Hopefully a continuation of the series that Obviates seemed to start?

I somehow missed it but they're also releasing some completely new writing too.


I love my copy of Obviates.

Also, where was this announcement made?  I don't see it on FB, IG, or Twitter?  Though I might just be missing the obvious.

Edit: Never mind---I was missing the obvious.  For all others: https://amphetaminesulphate.substack.com/p/as-2025

cantle

New stuff I'm interested in- new money for old rope less so....

Balor/SS1535

It's worth checking out the Maggie Dunlap stuff too.  Depending on what these are, I would like to try and get both.

Grimpin

#593
More Sotos podcast shenanigans if anyone missed this uploaded a few days ago / interested.

An Extreme Metal Podcast TERMINUS has taken to reviewing Total Abuse in-depth. Judging by the first few minutes I just listened to: seems this could be a much more intelligent/insightful take on his work than the handful of prior podcasts of this nature.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5QsjaW0WUe55TJWdcNIkJJ
https://thetrueterminus.podbean.com/e/balaclava-books-episode-1-peter-sotos-total-abuse-part-1-pure/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTfa4rS5lI

By the looks of it, this first episode covers just Pure, and I'm assuming there'll be follow-up episodes on Tool and Parasite.

UPDATE: This is - unexpectedly - quite a brilliant listen actually. One of the best takes on Sotos's work I've heard/read - not that it's exactly an arena cramming for attention, beyond the usual shite. The host seems rather familiar with his entire oeuvre, in relation to his early work. So here's hoping he carries on further past Total Abuse..

theotherjohn

#594
Agreed, this is an excellent listen - many thanks for the share! I'm looking forward to future episodes. Now, if only I knew what that mysterious forum was that he hinted at...

TerminusTDMG

#595
Quote from: Grimpin on February 27, 2025, 12:05:34 AMMore Sotos podcast shenanigans if anyone missed this uploaded a few days ago / interested.

An Extreme Metal Podcast TERMINUS has taken to reviewing Total Abuse in-depth. Judging by the first few minutes I just listened to: seems this could be a much more intelligent/insightful take on his work than the handful of prior podcasts of this nature.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5QsjaW0WUe55TJWdcNIkJJ
https://thetrueterminus.podbean.com/e/balaclava-books-episode-1-peter-sotos-total-abuse-part-1-pure/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTfa4rS5lI

By the looks of it, this first episode covers just Pure, and I'm assuming there'll be follow-up episodes on Tool and Parasite.

UPDATE: This is - unexpectedly - quite a brilliant listen actually. One of the best takes on Sotos's work I've heard/read - not that it's exactly an arena cramming for attention, beyond the usual shite. The host seems rather familiar with his entire oeuvre, in relation to his early work. So here's hoping he carries on further past Total Abuse..

Thanks for listening, sharing, and all the kind words. My work is in part a direct response to all the other attempts out there to talk about Sotos that focus obsessively on questions of morality and "meaning" but very little on actual literary analysis. Yes, I am planning to release episodes on Tool and Parasite and then continue onward past Total Abuse. I really don't find the material in TA especially interesting- Parasite starts to move in directions I like more- but I think it's necessary to set the stage for the later material by discussing the early stuff in detail.

Re: my familiarity with all his work- I wish. My Sotos collection consists more of gaps than filled slots. I've picked up some books over the years but the times when I had the money to spend on that sort of thing coinciding with actual availability has been pretty limited. I have material from several different "eras" of Sotos and while it's hardly complete I think it's pretty easy to get an idea for what each one basically entails. As I said on the show, I'm certainly interested in purchasing stuff to expand my collection... within reason. I'm fine with paying, I'm even fine with people making money off sales, but I'm simply not interested in paying Discogs-style speculative flipper prices for stuff.

Quote from: theotherjohn on February 27, 2025, 08:35:36 PMAgreed, this is an excellent listen - many thanks for the share! I'm looking forward to future episodes. Now, if only I knew what that mysterious forum was that he hinted at...

Yeah, I felt a little goofy saying that. But in the modern internet era where conversation has seemingly been monopolized by a handful of giant sites, I think I'd rather not "promote" a place like this to general audiences. People who want to find it will, and the sort of people who would only find it because I mentioned it would likely not contribute meaningful discussion.

Thanks to everyone for listening. I'll be working on my script for Tool soon, followed by Parasite, and after that I'll probably do some pieces on non-Sotos books before returning with Index. I don't want to get burned out on one author's particular content- I think the analysis would get a little lazy. If you liked this, please consider checking out some of our other work on the show- we've been covering music for about 5 years and have just recently started branching out into other media.

Grimpin

#596
Quote from: TerminusTDMG on March 02, 2025, 07:31:30 PMThanks for listening, sharing, and all the kind words...

Good to hear from you and glad of the confirmation this will be an on-going series. Looking forward to anything book-wise you cover in fact. Have you read Tick before / plan to do a podcast on that? I consider that Sotos's magnum opus, myself. Everything I love about his work taken to the brink. So it'd be great to hear a podcast tackling that. Maybe tackling the Proxy compendium, in parts, would be a natural segueway after Total Abuse? Then veering off into the more abstruse later work from there, if you get hold of them! Whichever way you go, I'll be tuning in.

EDIT: On the subject of Total Abuse, I don't know has this ever been discussed before, but has anyone ever gotten to bottom of - or tried to - what's the source of the image used on the front cover of that compendium? I find it such an eerie image. I'd be surprised if it's anything "actionable" anyway, uncropped, what with his prior experience and him clearly not being an idiot. I'd hope. It isn't anything used in the original self-published Pure zines, is all I know.

TerminusTDMG

Quote from: Grimpin on March 05, 2025, 03:20:53 AM
Quote from: TerminusTDMG on March 02, 2025, 07:31:30 PMThanks for listening, sharing, and all the kind words...

Good to hear from you and glad of the confirmation this will be an on-going series. Looking forward to anything book-wise you cover in fact. Have you read Tick before / plan to do a podcast on that? I consider that Sotos's magnum opus, myself. Everything I love about his work taken to the brink. So it'd be great to hear a podcast tackling that. Maybe tackling the Proxy compendium, in parts, would be a natural segueway after Total Abuse? Then veering off into the more abstruse later work from there, if you get hold of them! Whichever way you go, I'll be tuning in.

EDIT: On the subject of Total Abuse, I don't know has this ever been discussed before, but has anyone ever gotten to bottom of - or tried to - what's the source of the image used on the front cover of that compendium? I find it such an eerie image. I'd be surprised if it's anything "actionable" anyway, uncropped, what with his prior experience and him clearly not being an idiot. I'd hope. It isn't anything used in the original self-published Pure zines, is all I know.

My plan is to move on to the Proxy-era material after TA but unfortunately I only have a hard copy of Index (apart from Tool as a part of TA, of course.) I have a scan of Proxy and would very much like my own copy, but it's always prohibitively expensive. It actually seems easier to get standalone copies of Tick or Lazy, but Special seems almost completely off the radar. I'm certainly interested in acquiring any of those or Proxy for a reasonable price- don't really have a preference as to standalone or Proxy.

I may end up just breaking my rule and operating off scans for those books if I can't find a hard copy solution, but then I would be back on with Selfish, Little which I have as a hardcover.

Grimpin

#598
Quote from: TerminusTDMG on March 05, 2025, 09:14:37 PMI may end up just breaking my rule and operating off scans for those books if I can't find a hard copy solution, but then I would be back on with Selfish, Little which I have as a hardcover.

Re: Special. I remember reading somewhere (or dreamt it) that a lot of the Rude Shape-published stand alone copies perished in a flood after printing. Hence it seeming to be one of his rarest books. That's one of my favourite books of his - seems his most personal and direct to me - so I'm hoping it's what Amphetamine Sulphate have in mind with this upcoming release, especially as there were no extracts included in the Missed, Better Still affair.

Worth breaking your rule, if you ask me. Unless you fancy paying about $10,000 a book, or whatever, I see some of these lunatics attempting. You can hit lucky now and again though, i.e. finding a book for under $100. Or I used to at least.

If you're into French translations you can have a field day and not starve though. Ten a penny, they are.

TerminusTDMG

Interesting re: the Rude Shape edition- never knew that but it tracks for why that one is so weirdly difficult to find. If I'm not able to find any suitable hard copy by the time it comes around, I'll probably just take the plunge and work off scans after having some folks vet them for authenticity. And yes, I'm regularly peeking at newly available used copies of things- I've mostly gotten lucky in the past and haven't had to really break the back on anything in my current collection. Although with my copy of Obviates currently stuck in customs hell, I might end up having to break that rule as well...

And unfortunately as a simple Amerifat I certainly don't have the knowledge of French necessary to read Sotos. I can barely understand him in my own language, much less another.