General butthurt & pc faggotry etc

[Scat-O-Logy]

Chicken Bone

[calaverasgrande]

how weird.
Muffwiggler is generally a very polite website were noobs are treated pretty well.
This is where I get most of my technical know-how and nobody laughs at me whenever I post dumb questions.

there are several women writing there, including the girl that does video-modular system and nobody ever harassed her in public.

In a world where people are literally rampantly looking for things to feel victimized over or to get angry about, I'm not surprised.

I don't think it is a world of people looking to feel victimized. It's just some people. Though they do tend to clump in heaps, especially places like Berkeley CA.

[a_2_g_2]

berp

[calaverasgrande]

I'm not a Pc sjw, but come on are just going to devolve into juvenile stereotypes and giggles?
Tee hee, watermelon.

[Scat-O-Logy]

Totally

[Duncan]

Yeah, olympiad stupidity going on throughout this forum to be honest. Makes you wonder how sincere all these laboured calls to understand PE discourse as something more than surface provocation really are when you consider how quickly the casual chat throughout this place so often descends into total bollocks.

[calaverasgrande]

Honestly, I grew up in a pretty PC environment. I also had a whole side of my family that was very right wing.
So I see the logical trap inherent to both in terms of claiming to be for 'liberty' or 'freedom'. But simultaneously being intolerant of the mere utterance of certain words.

I don't think anyone has ever switched from being a sexist or racist or socialist or whatever, simply because they were prohibited from using such words as nigger, bitch or socialism in public. I just reject that whole semantic of lexical totalitarianism (of the proletariat!).

But then sometimes I really do wonder about the PE/noise/industrial subculture. There are elements that have moved beyond being merely provocative with shocking imagery of racist tropes. To embracing racist tropes and ideologies.
Though I'm quite sure if such people were backed into a corner on it, in person, they would use the get out of jail free card "oh I'm just playing a character of a bigot that revels in the suffering of blacks and jews, I'm just trying really hard to provoke".

[Duncan]

Yeah, or when pressed on it I guess people might pretend as though there isn't any kind of discussion around these things at all.

[Andrew McIntosh]

Yeah, or when pressed on it I guess people might pretend as though there isn't any kind of discussion around these things at all.

But it's such an old and boring discussion. Been going on since Throbbing Gristle. What good comes from going over the same arguments for the umpteenth time?

[Fluid Fetish]

Yeah, olympiad stupidity going on throughout this forum to be honest. Makes you wonder how sincere all these laboured calls to understand PE discourse as something more than surface provocation really are when you consider how quickly the casual chat throughout this place so often descends into total bollocks.

Because this 'casual chat' that you lament 'so often descends into total bollocks' is reflective on 'the laboured calls to understand PE discourse as something beyond provocation' in what way? I don't understand your complaining at all or how trivial small talk related to immature internet memes/humor has any relation to PE and noise and it's depth or intention in any way?

Many bands are serious about these subjects while others are completely satirical/observational/whatever else and as Andrew mentioned it's been discussed over and over and over.

[david lloyd jones]

Yeah, or when pressed on it I guess people might pretend as though there isn't any kind of discussion around these things at all.

But it's such an old and boring discussion. Been going on since Throbbing Gristle. What good comes from going over the same arguments for the umpteenth time?

as many people weren't around for the debates around throbbing gristle et al-too young, not even born etc
also given that the various tropes keep returning through new bands etc, then so will the arguments, after all there is never any conclusion to this type of debate.

[Fluid Fetish]

https://girlattherockshows.wordpress.com/2016/08/25/this-is-not-a-dream/

Sounds like it was the most tramautic experience of her life, Star of David tattoo and all.

[ritualabuser]

Here's a better tattoo idea for her.

[Andrew McIntosh]

Yeah, or when pressed on it I guess people might pretend as though there isn't any kind of discussion around these things at all.

But it's such an old and boring discussion. Been going on since Throbbing Gristle. What good comes from going over the same arguments for the umpteenth time?

as many people weren't around for the debates around throbbing gristle et al-too young, not even born etc
also given that the various tropes keep returning through new bands etc, then so will the arguments, after all there is never any conclusion to this type of debate.

I don't know how old some people are and I don't care. Young or old, expecting the rest of us to come to their "discussions" is pretentious.

The rest is my point exactly. Never any conclusion. Pointless point scoring. Enough!

Mind you, if you want a classic example of young people with no fucking sense of either history of the last few mere decades or basic context - 

Concerts are my safe haven.

Yea, a concert with a Black Metal band renowned for their emphasis on depression,  suicide, cutting. Really safe. Good to see she got the drubbing she asked for in the comments section. Jesus, who's giving birth to these idiots?

[david lloyd jones]

enough indeed or i'm just not joining in this time.