RIP OFF ALERTS topic

[totalblack]

This funny boy sent me a GoFund link time ago, something like "save my label from bankrupt".

https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m

Would love to see what this guy would do with 10,000 euros

[Dr Alex]

This funny boy sent me a GoFund link time ago, something like "save my label from bankrupt".

https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m

That guy selling his releases for insane prices and made re-re-re-re-re artist/special/unique/one-of-a-kind edition of own and TNB releases. Obliviously he needs money but who is stupid to pay him for nothing.

[2pf cell]

Achtung !

From http://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/10/esp-kinetic-1985-c15.html :

I should probably mention that this is a tape Neil sent directly to me, presumably a one off with a handmade sleeve - bits of photocopies glued to the front and the track list written in biro. Therefore if you see this tape for sale on eBay, sold by some bloke in Bulgaria mumbling something about how he recorded it off the radio, and if he's selling it for forty bucks, and if you buy it for forty bucks, then that's your tough shit. I mention this only as the fucking clown in question is flogging an old Opera for Infantry tape for about the same, having downloaded it from this blog; and I know this because when I digitised the tape, it came with no track listing so I had to listen to the thing and come up with names for the tracks based on Trev's vocal - and those same titles appear on his expensive collector's item, hopeless wanker.

If this is yourself reading this, oh eBay retailer of my downloads, get a fucking job.

About this post : https://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/03/opera-for-infantry-band-sessions-1984.html

Link to the shameless gypsy's bootleg : https://www.ebay.com/itm/OPERA-FOR-INFANTRY-Rehearsal-1984/153240580321

He has many other expensive items as well. Looking at his perfect feedback [!] , you can see Burzum, Death tapes sold for more than 100 etc. Judging by this OFI, everything is fake. That's more than enough for me to say so. Poor buyers !

I think i know his discogs name too. But since i cant be 100% sure to connect these 2 accounts between them, let it ...

Its back....
https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/969223653

[deutscheasphalt]

Its back....
https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/969223653
https://www.discogs.com/seller/DarkYota/profile
https://www.facebook.com/alessandro.marchettini?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARBrK3BpFSsOlnLbSIQU2gdefNZco4JQzdCqRHpze2jY_elRhkFjQ3M6FzJHS4B-z4XFHfVwL15ZQuhH&hc_ref=ARSCKR7g9Veq2yyufK1-KWkVParMM4EahbN9EbUBTXPdioJVS9VXCLKTRKrOk8Cyjwc&fref=nf

Reported to discogs.

Also I wanted to express concern here that Luke Holland (Trapdoor Tapes, Australia) has apparently sold a bunch of bootlegs of Agonal Lust, Die Kombination & others via Discogs for inflated prices.
I understand the dynamic of bootlegs being produced if demands are not met through re-issues by the label but guys don't pay 40 bucks for a (bad copy of a) tape that was released two or three years ago; rather contact the label or distributers for possible re-issues. I know it's hard for some people to finance their drug habits not having a real job but that's not an excuse to steal music.

[andy vomit]

I know it's hard for some people to finance their drug habits not having a real job but that's not an excuse to steal music.

haaaaaaahaha

[Theodore]

RE: OFI - Yes, that's exactly the same fake tape. About the seller cant tell if he is the same person or just the guy who bought it from EBay. Dont even know if it was sold at all. - He was shipping from Bulgaria, this one is in Italy. And it's not the account i had connected with Ebay one, as being the same guy. - Dont know ...

[DarkYota]

Hi to everyone.
My name is Alessandro Marchettini, I'm from Italy, Rome.
I've registred to this forum just because a friend of mine informed me that someone is assuming that I'm a bootleg seller and that I'm in link with a suspected bulgerian guy that I don't know.
I just would like to inform you all that I'm a trusted and professional seller on discogs, but first of all I'm a collector and I can't accept that my name could be linked to such a shameful action as the resell of homemade bootlegs.
I'm constantly in trade with A LOT of collectors around the world and recently I got some tapes that in a second time I discovered to be bootlegs, but I can't say who made them, probably this bulgerian guy.
As soon as I was sure about that, I removed them from the sale.
So, please, stop to insert my name to this kind of activity, I'm a victim of these unofficial stuff as well.

... and for last, remember that Grey Wolves themself bootleged a lot of records and sold them!

[FreakAnimalFinland]

... and for last, remember that Grey Wolves themself bootleged a lot of records and sold them!

I believe this was pretty much standard practice in past. Labels such as Nihilistic Recordings had couple pages long list of industrial/pe tapes. They were indicated as "bootlegs", and traded / sold for moderate prices. Several labels seem to have duplicated other labels catalogues.
Many artists seemed to dublicate more copies of compilations they appeared etc. If you get some old tape, it may be not be 1st generation copy. It may be authorized, or it may be not. In some cases it will be impossible to say whether title is "bootleg" or just distributed in old school way. This may have resulted sound and cover quality vary greatly, even if it would be perfectly official. Just not the 1st generation copy straight from the original label.

That, is certainly different from people who flip the dubs for big profits. I'd rather see tape traders & industrial noise fanatics made dubs to eachother, than make them as means to profit.

Note:

People can edit their messages & clean up the accusations if they feel DarkYota is telling the truth.

[Theodore]

Me, and i guess many other, wouldnt have problem to pay for a bootleg dub of many rare / disappeared / extremely pricey old tapes. Given they are done on proper deck-s from a legit copy, from a trust-worthy seller -not to take the money and run- , and knowing i am buying a bootleg. Even if they were made for profit. That's a honest transaction between buyer-seller. Between seller-artist not. Between buyer-artist ? That's discussable ...

Downloading MP3s from the WEB, record them on an old tape, creating old-like artwork, and selling them as original, that is the definition of fraud.

I dont think accusations made for DarkYota other than the fact this known fake tape came up for sale again, me commenting we dont know he is the same guy and probably he isnt based on locations. He appeared, explained, removed them, all good. Me, it doesnt seem, I dont believe he is the scammer who made it. If he knew he was selling bootlegs ? Noone cant tell except him and the people who know him. Has no meaning or value to speculate.

[2pf cell]

Edited my initial post and removed naming details

[DarkYota]

Thanks for understending.
As FreakAnimal wrote, it's not so easy to understand when a tape is a bootleg or not, specially when you can't do a comparision with an original one. I don't know if all Opera For Infantry tapes have been inserted on Discogs, I thought that mine was something truly rare, so I uploaded it by myself, untill I was informed it comes from a blog and I removed it immediately.

As I wrote before, I'm a serious collector, I payed THOUSAND of € for tapes, vinyls and cds, I moved half Europe to see concerts and probably some of you saw me around along these last years, I would never support this kind of  business.
I love to support bands buying their official release, as I always did and will continue to do.

PS: if some of you have some records to sell, feel free to write me :D

[NO PART OF IT]

I have received my artist copies from Obskyr label recently.  I can edit my previous posts, but there are replies to them, so it would be pointless. 

[Gefühlloser]

Reading through this it's just kind of appalling as to how many dumb label names there has been over the years. All the more reason for me to never release anything again, and to be discovered after death as the next Henry Darger by some local art loser. Except that this sounds just as dumb, and I'd probably rather just see my shit off to the dumpster before I go. This way, if there is a spirit domain after death I won't have to hear the shit, and I can just sleep forever.


Also: Drug addicts that are extremely poor shouldn't run labels. The only person you are hustlin' is yourself with those addictions my guy. Just pirate some I-doser instead, and make noise your drug of choice ;) !

[online prowler]

AVOID seller rundownsun in discogs. He is selling various over-priced noise. I recently bought a cassette from him, Prurient The Golden Chamber, which was sold as 'mint, never played', but it came chewed and damaged on side B. Seller was dismissive and aloof when confronted boardering to rude. No response after video documention with sound and photos of case sent. The video has however been downloaded. Seller also admitted in email to having played the tape previously, so all his discogs item descriptions are not to be trusted. Case sent to paypal for refund. No recommendation, better to avoid. Case solved. Refund via paypal.

[Fistfuck Masonanie]

It saddens me to write this, but here we go; Rodger Stella owes me $250 worth of cassette tapes from an order placed a year ago. For a few years prior to this, we had several great transactions together without any problems. However, almost a year ago I had placed a wholesale order for about $500 worth of Macronympha and Mother Savage cassette reissues. It took awhile and several emails/texts, but I eventually received half of the order. You can draw your own conclusions as far as why this happened, but I also know for a fact that some other people have experienced the same problem.

I don't think he's been making any posts lately trying to sell any tapes, but I figured it would be best to make this post in order to make others aware in case they try to do business with him. Also, I will gladly edit this post and make an update if things ever get rectified.

This is really sad to hear, I ordered over 50 tapes from when he was first reissuing all the Macro and MSNP stuff. Was always super nice and prompt and I never had any issues. Hopefully he is doing OK personally and I hope you get the cassettes you are owed.

I know he said they were all limited to 30 back then but I think he is just dubbing them on demand. Keep us updated if the situation changes, there still some older reissues I wanted to grab.