Quote from: Cementimental on October 10, 2013, 01:10:56 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 09, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
It wouldn't probably change what people think of him, simply what they say and how they say it. This is of course the core of PC. Adjusting language, not adjusting the actual thought or cultural climate.
This is beyond clueless, you are trying to attack political language without any idea what even makes it political or what effect it's intended to or does have.
I'm not trying to attack political language.
I'm showing my dislike and disgust to political correctness of modern western countries, and the politics what they represent.
Political correctness is a term that refers to language, ideas, or policies that address perceived or actual discrimination against or alienation of politically, socially or economically disadvantaged groups. The term usually implies that these social considerations are excessive or of a purely "political" nature. So what it means? In modern western world, judging people as persons stripped down from any cultural/gender/religious/... elements to be individual person, so they'd not be treated as... lets say "woman", but "person".
Yesterdays news: Some people have felt "old people" (vanhat ihmiset) can be offensive. Alternative offered for public use was "ikääntyneet ihmiset". Hard to say whether its literal translation to english ( "aged people" ) would be less offensive, hah.. perhaps "elderly people". Could be offensive to some? It's good example, that we know concept of young and old. We know the concept of man and woman. We know some may not want to fit and usage of language. We know it may be their disadvantage in some cases. To be known to be, what they are.
I rather believe in culture that evolves based on other ideals than this type of attempts to deconstruct or remove every characteristics in organic culture, as attempt to find imaginary harmony of "equal individuals".
So as mentioned before, I don't think one needs to praise and excessive use simply rude and distasteful language (i.e. Hal's example on previous page of "manly working environment", which could be seen less example of manly (heroic, sacrificial, conquering, creative,.. haha) than simply lowbrow common trash - no offense meant, haha!), but it seems utterly foolish to think near-criminalization of common words or ideas for sake of creating "equality" works out. If we see retards, it ain't going to be better by "mentally challenged". If we see inhumanly fat slob, it's not going to be any better by insisting to call that "weight challenged". In many cases the word is not changing what people think or see.
BUT overall, I certainly don't deny possibilities of language or political language to change world. Quite opposite!
To fit the true nature of topic, I could perhaps mention the good ol' RUMBA magazine what celebrated it's 30 years anniversary this month. Some issues ago when new Nick Cave album came out, there was long journalist writing about the album where writer had moral problems to accept the new Nick Cave album cover. ( here:
http://www.nickcave.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Push-The-Sky-Away-PACKSHOT1-768x768.jpg )
He went on and on explaining how world has progressed so much, but these old disgusting pervs like mr. Cave insists the sexists woman abusing cover and writes songs about men lusting women, instead of talking about "persons". I mean, come on?! I thought I was reading Rock Magazine, not womens studies report? As if there something brutally incorrect about men having sexual feelings of WOMEN = Gender, instead of "persons" (that could be whatever gender, perhaps even moderately advanced other species if you fancy that..).
But then later on man explains the moment of revelation, when turns out the picture is just Cave's personal life. It's him, in his bedroom, with his wife on tiptoes walking to bathroom in morning. And suddenly it transformed to be warm, iconic and pleasant. And this author wrote about Cave in very similar way few times in magazine.
I recall another cultural magazine IMAGE has something quite similar. People being offended by "brute male interests" in album of this dinosaur of old times.
It's curious situation when men being sexually attracted to women, and expressing it through music, is offensive for writer of ROCK MAGAZINE ! In that IMAGE magazine I fully understand they would be insulted by such close minded bigotry.
