General butthurt & pc faggotry etc

[drunk]

"Put some HAM  in MoHAMed!"

bwahahahahah hhah_

[martialgodmask]

Pressed to explain the distinction between his proactive position on online pornographic images and his laissez-faire stance on topless images in newspapers, he said that it was up to consumers whether or not they wanted to buy the Sun.

He knows who his boss is.

Indeed.

[bitewerksMTB]

The Page 3 topless photos, according to Wikipedia, has been around since 1970. Bet less people complained about it 43 years ago.

[martialgodmask]

The Page 3 topless photos, according to Wikipedia, has been around since 1970. Bet less people complained about it 43 years ago.

The photos bother me not, it's the stupidity of our Prime Minister that gets me!

[HongKongGoolagong]

The Page 3 topless photos, according to Wikipedia, has been around since 1970. Bet less people complained about it 43 years ago.

Growing up in 1970s UK there was always a copy of The Sun being passed around the classroom by dirty-minded little kids. The supposedly left-wing tabloid the Daily Mirror also had tits, they used page 5 and seem to have airbrushed it from their newspaper's history in recent years. Throughout the 70s and 80s around 50% of the page 3 girls were age 16 to 18 which would be illegal here nowadays apparently.

The most fun thing around these tedious cheesecake shots was always the blurb underneath which tied in somehow with the newspaper's editorial position. "Shapely Natalie, 19, has no time for terrorists. "I support our troops in Iraq, something needs to be done" she says" etc.

[Levas]

Not this week, but I've read that Haemorrhage album Apology for Pathology has been banned in Germany since 2007. Why?

[vomitgore]

Not this week, but I've read that Haemorrhage album Apology for Pathology has been banned in Germany since 2007. Why?

One never knows, the reasons are never publically stated. When it comes to Grindcore/Death Metal and Black Metal the executives just sometimes ban albums randomly. Possibly they simply want to show that they don't approve of the messages, graphics etc? This may sound weird, but in Germany practically anything can get banned. One should take into account that "Apology for Pathology" is not banned per se but restricted, meaning that it's illegal to sell it openly on eBay, in webstores etc. You can however sell it to adults. It's pretty much the same as with pornography...

[martialgodmask]

Not this week, but I've read that Haemorrhage album Apology for Pathology has been banned in Germany since 2007. Why?

One never knows, the reasons are never publically stated. When it comes to Grindcore/Death Metal and Black Metal the executives just sometimes ban albums randomly. Possibly they simply want to show that they don't approve of the messages, graphics etc? This may sound weird, but in Germany practically anything can get banned. One should take into account that "Apology for Pathology" is not banned per se but restricted, meaning that it's illegal to sell it openly on eBay, in webstores etc. You can however sell it to adults. It's pretty much the same as with pornography...

Gore and Perversion by Desecration suffered the same issue I think? My memory is hazy, I do remember they had problems with the original version though.

[vomitgore]

I just checked a german source for banned items and Descecration was nowhere to be found. That doesn't mean too much though, sometimes there can be other troubles with the law which can, for example, lead to merely the covers being confiscated (as was the case with a Spear of Longinus album).

You are right about Cannibal Corpse though. There is a pretty legendary female teacher involved in the censorship problems Cannibal Corpse have, I don't have her name handy though. She personally denounced all of their albums at the board of censorship and even went to their concerts and sued them for playing banned songs, like "Hammer Smashed Face". An old school friend of mine had been in her class before he came to my school. One time she freaked out because of his Rammstein (!) t-shirt and went completely berserk. In Germany, people like this can get their way really easily. So now every CC album is released in a special german edition with a non-offensive cover without lyrics. Some of them still get banned, ironically.

Although it's a pretty dire situation for many artists, it's kind of a gamble, at the end of the day. As far as I know, not one PE release has ever been banned here, simply because the albums never made it into the wrong hands. Running a label like FA or F&V in Germany would probably get you incarcerated though, heh

[ARKHE]

I think one of the earliest Deranged releases, the "Upon the Medical Slab" single, was seized by the German border authorities & landed the label owner (Malodorous Mangled Innards Records) with a nasty fine back in 1994. Perhaps they didn't appreciate the artwork, though it's not very graphic.

[martialgodmask]

I just checked a german source for banned items and Descecration was nowhere to be found. That doesn't mean too much though, sometimes there can be other troubles with the law which can, for example, lead to merely the covers being confiscated (as was the case with a Spear of Longinus album).

It appears that it was a more localised banning and arresting:

"Formed in 1992,[1] and releasing their first demo in 1993, the band caused controversy in 1995 when their debut album Gore and Perversion (original version on Anoxic Records) was infamously seized and incinerated by the local police due to the album's offensive content, for what they deemed to be its obscene nature, and banned upon release.[2][3] The printers of the original artwork and lyrics, after taking the money for the pressing and without sending any copies to the band, sent the albums to the police authorities and were subsequently incinerated.[4] Band members were arrested.[5] The ensuing court case and media furore firmly established the name Desecration in the South Wales scene and beyond. The album was later released with a black cover featuring the statement "SORRY! Censored by the authorities. Original artwork can be obtained from Arctic Serenades. Send an IRC.", now out of print, by Arctic Serenades.[6]"

So not quite the international infamy I had thought!

[HongKongGoolagong]

As far as I know, not one PE release has ever been banned here, simply because the albums never made it into the wrong hands.

Con-Dom 'Colour Of A Man's Skin' - commissioned and I believe paid for by Tesco but released with no label named on the package as a result of fear and self-censorship - swastika partially visible on artwork, inflammatory 'hate crime' lyrics throughout taken from third party sources. Ironic that the album is quite obviously intended as a statement against bigotry and racism, just using provocative methods.

[burdizzo]

Obviously?
Well, I'm sure you know Mike Dando far better than I, but I'd always taken his stance as a bit more ambivalent. I mean, it's obviously not the first time he trod on this territory, and I realise he's not a Brevik-type nutter, but, y'know, he's probably not a "nigger-lover" either. As I say, you may know differently, but to say his stance is 'obvious' is a bit bewildering. I suppose you could view the record ("Colour of a Man's Skin") a number of ways:
- an 'obvious' and straight-forward anti-racist statement: I don't buy this, since a lot of the time (in industrial/ power electronics) these kind of things are presented in a deliberately cloudy and opaque way.
- an excuse to put forward a lot of pro-white imagery and content while 'balancing' it w/ comparatively impotent pro-black imagery. Again, I don't think this is really the case because some of it seems too 'over the top' to be true.
- an exercise in being provocative for it's own sake: there's probably a bit of this, and sure - what harm?!
Anyway, I think it's not as clear-cut as you suggest, but that it can be summed up in the words of the 'Ebony and Ivory' track printed on the 7": 'To stay alive; Ebony and Ivory; Side by side; Together Apart; Perfect'! This seems to imply an accepatance of the realities, but also a desire for seperation or for remaining seperate from it, no?
Also, Dando has worked w/ both declared racists (Control Resistance), and declared anti-racists (Militia), so you see, the stance is probably not so clear-cut as you suggest.

[HongKongGoolagong]

Not sure I would agree that the black power talk is 'comparatively impotent' on that album, there's some very powerful rhetoric (some of it is Bobby Seale as I remember - I really should have taken notes) and I love that superpimp imagery on the inserts.

It's great that the LP still causes discussion. It is an all-time classic of power electronics and controversial art. The greatest Con-Dom release and one for the PE canon.

Mike is a major league fan of black people's music who promoted many black jazz players over the years in Leeds and he's generally a Guardian reading pussycat, and just from knowing him personally I take the album as a statement against bigotry but hey, maybe I'm wrong. From the gossip I remember in the 90s he had little more than morbid fascination with the likes of Control Resistance. The "nigger-lovin' Texans of Psycodrama" get a thank you on the album if I remember correctly, that kind of taboo busting craziness seems to lie closer to the Con-Dom ethic than any kind of fixed political stance.

[tiny_tove]

I confirm anything said by Hongkong...

It is a complex (and succesful) analysis of several aspects of white/black racism under different perspectives. Ideology, biology, fears, etc.
Of course when you do not tag a record under a political/propaganda flag it can fail to convince everybody... But I think it worked out and seeing that performance live was quite an experience. He's been perfectly describing the ambivalence of hate.