NOISE RELATED RANDOM TALK TOPIC

[FreakAnimalFinland]

From Finnish language topic.

I have been almost surprised that numerous foreign people have mentioned they are reading this topic with some sort of translater. Makes one think if forum would need sort of "relaxed misc noise related" topic, for whatever discussion that one doesn't feel is "review", barely "playlist comment", just... something? As long as it is not just utterly random "things happening in my life" -type content, but noise related. Perhaps something that could generate also further topics.

So lets see....

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Got link from enthusiastic Himukalt fan about Horsegirl tape. Its electronic drone and ASMR type whispering voice delivering erotic story.
https://himukalt.bandcamp.com/track/horse-girl

If it would be done with male voice, don't think it would necessarily work (for me), but experimental sound + audio story type of thing, with female voice, can't say there wouldn't ne appeal... haha.

[Moran]

I've been listening to a lot of cut-up noise released in the past three years. While many of the releases are technically skillful, I don't feel any sense of need in the compositions unlike good older releases that felt like the artists needed to drag the sounds out of his/her head right now or feel very bad. The process of making noise by sitting in front of a screen, looking at the same visual representations of sound repeatedly and managing every small detail usually eliminates the feeling of spontaneity that's necessary for most noise releases to transmit attractive energy.

[Kaaoskultti]

I've been listening to a lot of cut-up noise released in the past three years. While many of the releases are technically skillful, I don't feel any sense of need in the compositions unlike good older releases that felt like the artists needed to drag the sounds out of his/her head right now or feel very bad. The process of making noise by sitting in front of a screen, looking at the same visual representations of sound repeatedly and managing every small detail usually eliminates the feeling of spontaneity that's necessary for most noise releases to transmit attractive energy.

Favourite cut-up noise albums, if I may ask?

[Heppakirjat]

The process of making noise by sitting in front of a screen, looking at the same visual representations of sound repeatedly and managing every small detail usually eliminates the feeling of spontaneity that's necessary for most noise releases to transmit attractive energy.

There is something about sitting in front of a computer screen that kills my creativity. Computer for tracking is surely feasible, but the sort of editing you're describing... it's so tedious and I have no patience nor interest for it. Now hitting that pausebutton on a physical tracker on the other hand... or better yet actually cutting up tape and rearranging it! For me there is a whole different feel and sense of danger and prencence when doing stuff this way. One of my favourite things in doing noise is all the random artifacts and sounds you really don't have control of. A feeling of the sounds and composition being on the verge of total collapse but somehow kept in reins. This is surely more present in more live kind of thing than maybe cut-up noise, but I'd say it's a facet there as well?

Favourite cut-up noise albums, if I may ask?

Also this.

[Heppakirjat]

Got link from enthusiastic Himukalt fan about Horsegirl tape. Its electronic drone and ASMR type whispering voice delivering erotic story.
https://himukalt.bandcamp.com/track/horse-girl

I love it! Thanks for the tip. Should propably look more into Himukalt stuff overall as well.

[Commander15]

The process of making noise by sitting in front of a screen, looking at the same visual representations of sound repeatedly and managing every small detail usually eliminates the feeling of spontaneity that's necessary for most noise releases to transmit attractive energy.

There is something about sitting in front of a computer screen that kills my creativity. Computer for tracking is surely feasible, but the sort of editing you're describing... it's so tedious and I have no patience nor interest for it. Now hitting that pausebutton on a physical tracker on the other hand... or better yet actually cutting up tape and rearranging it! For me there is a whole different feel and sense of danger and prencence when doing stuff this way. One of my favourite things in doing noise is all the random artifacts and sounds you really don't have control of. A feeling of the sounds and composition being on the verge of total collapse but somehow kept in reins. This is surely more present in more live kind of thing than maybe cut-up noise, but I'd say it's a facet there as well?

Absolutely spot on! I find editing noise with computer to be kinda tedious or bit uninteresting at best. Might be that my background in conventional music affects this or some issues related to neurodivergent issue but live creation is the thing that works best for me. Trying to hold the reins in midst of sonic maelstorm, create and innovate in the heat of the moment, trying to convey inner visions and impressions thru consumer electronics... It truly is intoxicating and fulfilling.

[host body]

I personally prefer editing with a visual UI to editing with a 4-track. It takes a lot less time and if you're used to it it can be relatively painless. Naturally no editing at all is the most fun, just vibe out but that rarely leads to a satisfying end product for myself. I prefer my own releases to have some intent driving the whole.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Listened Hingst via bandcamp while uploading the new SI feature online. I new it is strong, as have been told so by some of the most devoted harsh heads.. https://special-interests.net/main/hingst/

New Pharmakon announced. Opening track is at bandcamp now, and full album 0ctober 4th.
https://pharmakon.bandcamp.com/album/maggot-mass

Could it be said to be even more musical than before? Indeed, it is all the way music, with bass riffs, synth tones, hoarse vocals sung like for band music.. Surely there emerges layers of electronically processed noises on top of it all in later part of song, but yes, indeed, song. Not entirely sure what to think yet, but probably wait full album before forming further thoughts.

[Commander15]

I personally prefer editing with a visual UI to editing with a 4-track. It takes a lot less time and if you're used to it it can be relatively painless. Naturally no editing at all is the most fun, just vibe out but that rarely leads to a satisfying end product for myself. I prefer my own releases to have some intent driving the whole.

Got to admit that is less time consuming and it is painless. I'm doing all the final edits, such as fade ins and outs, volume normalization etc., with Reaper but actual tracking happens with 4-tracker or deck. I feel that composing tracks either live or with 4-tracker tend to lead to more satisfying end results for myself. And of course there is solid intent behind every released track that i've recorded, even if it is recorded live. In many cases the same track might have been rehearsed and refined for months and there is several recorded takes from it.

But horses for courses, C15 approach is intentionally old school as it just seem to work best. But yeah, cut-up stuff. Not very keen on that, something just puts me off in lots of that stuff besides K2 and Stimbox-era Macronympha. I love how the cuts in i.e. Intensive Care at first sounded very "sluggish" but they really grew in me after i learned to fully appreciate the changes in mood and dynamics.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

New Noisextra with Frans de Waard mentions he is planning to get Olssons GIFTNÅLEN reprinted, with cheaper price and better distribution via Korm Plastics. Lets hope it happens!

[Phenol]

Giftnålen is a cool and diverse document of industrial culture - but damn near unreadable. Bigger letters next time, please, said the old man, haha. Currently waiting for the postman to deliver the TG "Five Albums" box which includes a book (and a batch so I can look cool...). I have never seen that box IRL and have zero idea about what's in the book, but the mention of Giftnålen made me think about such books and how I hope this way of documenting the scene will be carried on in the future too. Videos and podcasts are truly appreciated, but the printed medium has its advantages in terms of permanency + I like browsing through something that is tactile and present. I greatly enjoyed the book that came with the Nekrophile box on VOD as well. Old letters from John Balance and other central figures, rare photos etc. Just a gem and, like Giftnålen, something that you can browse through over and over to discover new small details each time.

[FreakAnimalFinland]

Seen this?
https://www.timeless-shop.com/product/in-steel-grey-armour-regular/

" Timeless Edition is thrilled to present 'In Steel Grey Armour' consisting of the complete reproduction of an infamous and mysterious collage book created by Genesis P-Orridge in 1979 and entrusted to his friend Yves Adrien,
a regular columnist of French music magazine 'Rock'n'Folk'.

It also explores the friendship between the 2 individuals with reproductions of some letters, photos and other artworks that Gen and Yves used to exchange.

The book closes with a few words from the wise collector and current owner of the actual book, recounting his first encounter with the original Genesis collage book thanks to Jacques Noel, warden and smuggler-in-chief at Un Regard Moderne bookshop in Paris."

I wasnt sure if I need it, but when I got it... really nice and recommended!

Also SACRED INTENT has come out as expanded Edition couple years ago. Discussions between Genesis P-Orridge & Carl Abrahamsson.

[HateSermon]

I got some tasty construction sounds on my ruck this morning. They're redoing some of the sewers up the street so there's a bunch of guys laying pipe (heh). Stood there for a couple minutes and recorded it on my phone. I bought a Zoom H4n a few months ago but it's far from convenient unless you're intentionally going out to record. Thing is a fuckin brick. And honestly I think the phone recordings sound just as good.
But yeah, agreed with the straight-to-tape recording method as opposed to getting caught up arranging in a DAW. That's been my workflow lately - sending everything into a deck and then ripping that. Then doing vocals and layering that on top and sending it to tape again. I don't have a 4 track so my process is a little complicated.

[Balor/SS1535]

New Noisextra with Frans de Waard mentions he is planning to get Olssons GIFTNÅLEN reprinted, with cheaper price and better distribution via Korm Plastics. Lets hope it happens!

This is good news.  I was annoyed to have missed the first.